Post # 1
So a little background, I have lived in my current building for 5 years. There are 5 units. After two years of living there, they started short terming the lower two units. I was nervous my place would be next, but two months ago, around the time I got married, the property manager said the owners were making one of the lower units long term again and offered it to us. The “lease” I signed was just the rental agreement for a short term and it says my check in date is Sept 1, 2018 and check out date Sept 1, 2019. I know the property manager treats my rent like rental income from a short term by submitting it to the city to pay occupancy tax. The only reason I can think of for her doing that is that our city has currently cracked down hard on vacation rentals. I have a feeling if she stopped renting it like a short term unit, she would never be able to legally get it back to short term again after I leave. I think the owners like the long term rentals better than short term (there used to be 3 short term units, as of Sept 1 there is only one), but she makes more money on the short term so she likes them better. She lives in one of the units so she’s always there.
Ever since I moved in (5 days ago) she has been causing a ton of issues with me regarding the actual short term unit next to me. She keeps hounding me telling me I’m not allowed to do this or that because I need to think about how if affects the short term renters. I wanted to get the carpets cleaned (because she didn’t clean the place at all when I moved in) I was going to pay for it myself and she said no because the noise would disturb the vacation renters. She told me I’m not allowed to do anything that would cause noise on the weekends or in the mornings because the vacation renters are on vacation and it would disturb them. The last vacation renters who were here were super loud and stayed up til midnight every night during the week playing guitar and singing. She told me they are here to have fun and I need to deal with it. Since we moved into a unit that used to be short term, it was completely furnished and the kitchen was fully stocked. I had to box all of the stuff up before I could put all my stuff away. I also had only 4 hours to move from upstairs to downstairs because I had to wait until 11 AM for the last short term people to leave to start moving in and the people that were taking my place were moving in at 3PM. Anyways, I put the boxes in the back area of the building and she got mad and said it would be ugly for the vacation renters to look at. This area is where we park our cars and have our trash bins. She has texted me multiple times a day for the past few days about stuff and I’m honestly getting sick of it. The short termers seem to have more priority over me, but I pay to live there too. The last thing she texted me was “you knew what you were getting yourself into. You can give your notice at anytime”. I feel like she’s trying to get me to leave so she could maybe make it a short term rental again. I googled my place on vrbo and my unit is on the website and it’s listed as available. I’m super nervous about this. What should I do?
Post # 2
Look up tenant’s rights in your city and state (or location if not US). She can not legally tell you you can’t clean the carpets. If your rental agreement includes the furnishings but you would rather use your own, it might be on you to store the stuff that came with the place, but I’m not sure. Your best bet is to look up your local landlord/tenant laws and regulations to see what she is and isn’t allowed to do, and what your remedies might be if she violates your rights. In most places, everyone has the right to “peaceful enjoyment” of their home, whether it’s rented or owned. That means you can live your life and make a reasonable
amount of noise during reasonable
time periods. Cleaning your carpets at midnight would interfere with the neighbor’s peaceful enjoyment. But cleaning the carpets during the day is reasonable. Nobody is promised 24 hours of silence. But just like you shouldn’t be making noise at midnight, the vacation renters shouldn’t either. There’s a balance.
Post # 3
is there any early termination fees? It sounds like you can put in your notice at any time
if it would not be a huge financial hit to break the lease, i would start looking for another place and move. What she is doing is not right, you have rights within your own home to do as you please (to a certian extent) and you can look into the tenant/landlord laws in your area, but honestly she sounds like a nightmare to deal with and issues are just going to continue.
This sounds like a messy situation with her and i would leave.
Post # 4
Ugh short term rentals are so bad for cities. Why don’t you just move? It doesn’t sound like a great place to live. If your lease term is September to September it does sound like you might have a year lease. Your lease should say what the terms are for terminating it and that should tell you whether she can evict you if someone rents the unit on VRBO. Does your city allow full time short term rentals? (Mine does not but it’s not enforced that well.) If not you could report the other unit to the city anonymously.
Post # 5
I’ve lived here for 5 years and she hasn’t caused issues until the past 2 weeks. After I signed the lease. The only thing I can think of is that her income has been decreased because the owners are making the units long term. Maybe she’s freaking out and that one short term is her only real source of income so she’s being super picky about it. We have gotten along fine for the passed 5 years, it’s just recently that she became like this.
I’m not sure if our city allows full time short term rentals, but I know it is illegal to kick out a long term renter to make the place short term. That’s why I’m worred that I’m being treated like short term to the city. Like I’m just a repeat short term renter every month. I’m also not sure if the owners are aware of what she’s doing. She is their ex daughter in law and I know they’ve butted heads a lot and they aren’t the biggest fan of hers.
Post # 6
I’m nosy, so I would probably have a friend respond to the VRBO listing and see what she says.
But otherwise, look over your lease with a fine tooth comb, contact your local tenants right agency and/or a lawyer specializing in this area, and start shopping around for a new place to live because this place sounds like too big of a headache.
Post # 7
Honestly? Yeah, it seems like she is trying to push you out but realizes that she has no grounds to evict you. You have to decide whether you are willing to keep putting up with this bullshit or would rather just move somewhere else.
Post # 8
Sorry, bee. From all of those passive-agreesive encounters, it definitely sounds like the owner wants to make your living situation difficult so you’ll want to break the lease. She wants to earn more income from short-term vacation renters without having to violate the contract herself. Even if she sees reason about the carpets and the daytime noise, the relationship will be hard to rebuild and she does not sound like she will be reasonable in future interactions. She is an awful landlord and frankly an unethical person, but if she hasn’t technically broken any rules, I would start looking for a new place ASAP, unless there are some really compelling reasons why you want to fight to stay in this building.
You need to document everything the owner says or does that negatively affects you and your home, including her inaction when you complain about the vacation renters. A paper trail will be essential in case you don’t move out fast enough for her liking and she takes more aggressive measures. You need to protect yourself. Consider seeking some legal advice for your local area; there are some free or reduced-cost programs depending on your location and income. Since you mentioned that local laws will likely tighten for short-term rentals, consider making your case to the local committee that oversees such laws. Yours might be the data point that changes the law faster.
Post # 9
Check your tenet rights.
Most areas have a right to quiet enjoyment.
Post # 10
i’m really confused by how you’re using the terms “short term” and “long term”. you have a ONE YEAR lease – in what city is that considered short-term??? most cities define STR as fewer than 30 days/1 month. i don’t know anywhere that calls a 1-year lease a “short term” lease.
what city do you live in? you need to know your rights as a tenant!!! most cities allow for something along the lines of ‘reasonable noise and reasonable quiet and privacy’ – this typically means something like if you’re screaming at 2 am or playing loud music, then your neighbors have a valid complaint against you. but it also means you’re allowed to clean your carpets at 9am on a saturday morning, neighbors (and landlord) be damned. stop listening to your landlord, and instead inform yourself of your rights. you can call 311 (or whatever it is in your city) to file a noise complain against renters who are plaing music at midnight. you can also clean your apartment as you see fit, regardless of what your landlord says.
Post # 11
I guess I mean short term as vacationers. But you’re right, my lease is a one year lease and she can’t do anything.
So I emailed her using a fake email on the vrbo website asking if my unit was available in November. She said it is….
Post # 12
There are three possibilities here:
1. She is trying to push you out and hopes to have the propery free in November to rent out to potential vacationers.
2. She intends to kick you out between now and then. She may be trying to goad you into breaking a rule of some kind in order to kick you out.
3. She has no intention of making the unit available to potential vacationers and is actually running a scam.
I still think #1 is the most likely scenario given what you have described in your OP and comments.
Post # 13
You need to understand what your rights and remedies are as a tenant in your area before you do anything.
Post # 14
Make sure you save all communication and put everything in writing! I have a couple of friends who have been burned by shady landlords and had to take them to court. It could also end up affecting your renter’s references which might impact your future housing.
Post # 15
Keep or make copies of all interactions with her from your fake email and also just any other emails or texts of complaints/suggestions/rules that she sends to you about your apartment.
Look up tenant laws in your area and arm yourself with knowledge.
If you have to, escalate to the building owner and any city agencies representing tenant rights. Do not let her bully you. If you know the laws and if they are on your side, then you don’t have to acquiesce to any of her demands. You’ll be able to confidently tell her sorry, but no.