- 2 years ago
- Wedding: January 2017
Hate em. Agree with a PP that they are trashy.
Hate em. Agree with a PP that they are trashy.
Dragonfly715 : There was a huge thread a while back complaining about people using names from cultures other than their own, so people do get upset about it, just FYI.
The food thing though…I have seen people complain about this, but it does seem like a really extreme example of something being called cultural appropriation. I think there is a spectrum where some things are definitely cultural appropriation and other things are just enjoying a different culture, but there are a lot of things in between to disagree about.
As far as the names go, I’m fine with names spelled correctly from a different culture, but way off misspellings are ridiculous, IMO. Like it or not, it does feed into a trashy stereotype, so why you would want to tag your kid with that, I don’t know. That said, it’s so widespread nowadays, that stereotype may change as these kids get older.
There are a lot of angry people on this thread which I find interesting because someone else’s name shouldn’t be that much of an issue for you. I have a “unique” name and I love it. My parents met at Carnegie Mellon so to say they’re uneducated and that’s why they chose my name couldn’t be farther from the truth. I am not afraid to share my name (Perri) and get compliments on it all the time. Sure everyone spells it with a Y but the female version of Perry is spelled with an i… guess it’s not unique as much as it’s other people who are uneducated.
Some names with unique spelling are totally fine, but then there’s ones that are just way out there that screams the parents were trying too hard to be unique. A girl on FB I’m friends with just named her kid Alyviah (Olivia), it kind of made me eye roll haha.
Darling Husband wanted to name a son a name from his culture (Dutch). I had no issue whatsoever with the name, but he insisted he wanted to spell it in the Dutch manner. I could not agree to that. While Darling Husband is Dutch through and through (both side of the family traced back), he was born in the US, and so were his parents, etc. In the community in which he grew up, the spelling he wanted would be seen as normal, but anywhere outside of that it would have been seen as unusual. Because I have the same (mis)conceptions about unusually spelled names as many other PPs, I knew that any child would likely leave this insular community at some point, and their name would be regarded as being incorrectly spelled. Because I wouldn’t bend on the spelling, he didn’t want the name, so I guess I always figured it couldn’t have been that important to him! We have two sons, both with very traditional, traditionally spelled names (and a daughter with a traditional name, too).
My favourite has to be Nevaeh and guaranteed the mother is falling over herself to tell you that ‘it’s heaven backwards!!!!’
Pass me the bucket I’m going to be sick…
marlamallow : Someone who is not of a Mexican background opening a restaurant with Mexican food, not employing Mexican chefs, etc. but still using that aesthetic would be appropriating the culture for profit, while not providing any benefit to the people of that actual culture.
This makes a lot of sense to me, and when I first read it, I thought, “Yeah, totally agree!”. And then as I thought about it some more, I had some questions/doubts.
If a person sees a legitimate business opportunity (such as an area where a Mexican restuarant might do well, but there’s no existing Mexican restaurant there)… does that person have a moral obligation to pass up the opportunity, just because they’re not Mexican, and even though no Mexican person has opened up a business there?
Does it make it OK if they have a Mexican chef, as your post seems to indicate? What if the non-Mexican owner learned to make Mexican food at a culinary institute in Mexico, and wants to be the chef himself?
Aside from the chef, does the restaurant also need to have Mexican servers and staff? If so, what percent of the staff needs to be Mexican, in order to make it OK?
What if it’s an area without many Mexican people (such as certain parts of Florida, that are much more likely to have Cuban or Puerto Rican folks than Mexican folks)? Wouldn’t it be insulting to the local community to say, “We’re only hiring Mexican employees, Puerto Ricans (or any other race/ethnicity/group) need not apply”. Wouldn’t that be unfair to any qualified applicants who wanted to work there?
Also, where do you draw the line between cultural appropriation and the fact that America is a melting pot, and most of these restaurants serve Americanized versions of the original foods? For example, are only Italian owners, chefs, and staff allowed to work in Italian restaurants and pizza joints, even though American-Italian food is pretty different from true Italian cooking and true Italian pizza?
And what about the fact that the tomato – which we think of as central to Italian cooking – came from South America? Does this mean that an owner should give special consideration to hiring South American chefs or staff in Italian restaurants, to better avoid appropriation?
What about a gelato shop – is it different enough from generic “ice cream” to count as cultural appropriation if a non-Italian opens one? What about chocolate gelato – where did chocolate originally come from? Does anyone have “dibs” on it, that the Italians have appropriated when they make chocolate gelato?
Are only are only Swiss owners, chefs, and staff allowed in a fondue place, despite how hard it might be to find enough of them who want to work in a strip mall in Idaho, or wherever? Can the owner or employees be US-born folks with a tiny smidge of Swiss in their genetic backgrounds, or do they actually have to have moved here from Switzerland?
Please don’t think I’m attacking you – I’m legitimately wondering about all these nuances. Where does the line get drawn? What’s morally right? I have no idea… just “food for thought”! 🙂
I just saw another name I had to share. Rugbie. For a girl. Seriously, folks??
I despise when parents think they are being clever and wanting their child to be “unique” by bestowing the poor kid a name with butchered spelling of a perfectly good name.
In my mind I think the parents are utter drop kicks, that think their child is an accessory and don’t think of their child’s future with job applications, grave stones etc.
Here is two laughable but real examples of f’ed up spellings.
Wyliumm (William) and KVIIILYN (Kaitlyn)
MeandYou : I was in a forum and the topic was worst baby names. A few people chimed Nevaeh. One mom couldn’t help herself but go “I am not an idiot, I have a dipolma in (whatever) and I named my baby Nevaeh as it is “Heaven” spelt backwards. It is a beautiful name and you are the ones who are idiots who think it is.”
tastastic : thosethreewords : That’s so strange to me, I’ve never heard it pronounced that way.
Where I’m from in Australia Megan / Meagan are always pronounced “Mee-gan”.
I have only ever met one “Meg-an” and her spelling was Meghan, I assumed it was a different name not just a different spelling.
I was reading this thread yesterday then today my cousin posted this screen shot tagging her sister who has the name ‘Erika.’