Post # 62
Well, where I live midwifery is highly regulated and midwives must complete a four-year degree program to be certified. Only certified midwives can attend births. Certified midwives are governed by a central body that lays out strict guidlines so that, yes, only low-risk women are able to have midwife attended home births. Anyone who has a high risk pregnancy, or whose pregnancy becomes high-risk at any point, MUST be referred to an OB. I realize this isn`t the same everywhere, and particularly not in the US, but that is how it works in Canada and well as numerous Western and Northern European countries. Those are the contexts with which I am familiar and of which I speak.
Further, the fact that certain professional bodies are opposed to home birth may or may not have something to do with the fact that they very much have a vested interest in keeping births in hospitals. Special interest groups are not exactly known for their impartiality. I will note that, in Canada, the Society of Obstetrician and Gynaecologists of Canada says that home birth is, “a reasonable alternative for low-risk women.”
We are all entitled to our opinions, but I think your statements are inflammatory and indicative of the fear-mongering that surrounds birth in our society. These sorts of views have led to a deep-seated fear of birth in our society, which is a really sad view of a very normal event.
Post # 64
If you’re informed, then it’s less risky. If you’re a low-risk patient, then it’s probably safe. But unfortunately not everyone is both of those things or even knows if they’re both of those things. If you control for risk factors, I imagine almost anything can be deemed safe. But that doesn’t help people to make informed decisions.
@runsyellowlites: I’m not a pro-hospital birther, lol. I was just trying to show a perspective. I still maintain that there isn’t sufficient data either way, especially in North America, which is where it’s relevent. Many people are comfortable accepting the ACOG’s stance, and that was why I brought it up.
Post # 65
I’m sorry if you thought what I said was inflammatory, because it certainly wasn’t intended to be. This thread was started about the taboo surrounding natural birth. I was trying too shed light on where some of that taboo comes from. Not make a value judgement.
Post # 66
I think the word taboo really bothers me in regards to natural birth. I understand that there is alot of judgement about medicated/unmedicated but neither are “taboo.” That’s just women in general and how we treat each other. Sad, isn’t it?
Taboo is something explicitly forbidden – incest, cannibalism, murder… they are stronger actions than one’s birth choice I think. Its unfortunate that women are not able to make their choice without feeling judgement. It’s also something we feel uncomfortable talking about – sexuality in many cases, or death. Clearly everyone wants to talk about childbirth.
There are advocates for both sides, and in the right environment both are allowed. One wouldn’t go to a midwife for surgery, and why would one ask a surgeon for natural or herbal remedies? They are trained within a specific context. Its just two different schools of thought that coexist within this society.
What I think it really comes down to is the insecurity that one may have with feeling they are not making the right decision. Trying to convice others (seen in verbal judgement) that your way is “correct” makes you feel more secure about your decision. I don’t think there is a right way to have a baby. It happens in many ways in many cultures.
Post # 67
I don’t know if natural birth is a more taboo choice than any other type of birth..
I’ve heard criticism for every kind of birth, from all kinds of people.
I wanted to go natural and was criticized for it.
Then I had to get induced and eventually asked for an epi because Pitocinis the devil… I didn’t getcriticised for that, and that’s only because no one was consulted or witness of that.
I ended up with a c-section because my baby and I had infection and there was failure to progress. After 47 hours of labor I was stillnot dilated enough and he was not coming down. Well I still had some people tell me I could have pushed!
next baby, I’ll have a c-section again because it’s still too soon after my first to attempt a vbac. And quite frankly after my firstvery traumatic experience, I would not attempt a vbac. I Would choose a c-section again.
let me tell you, I donot discuss this choice with people. I feel that an elective c section is probably more taboo than going natural, for many reasons I concede.
I guess the point is, as soon as there’s an empryo in your uterus, everyone will feel entitled to their opinion about it and make you feel like shit about every decision you make until the kid turns 18.
personally, I feel that as long as baby and mama are alive and healthy, it’s not important how the birth occurred and new life should be celebrated.
Post # 68
@walnutgirl – I think this is definately a cultural thing. Most of the people saying that women get criticized for the epidural seem to be non-US bees. Here in the US, getting the epidural is the norm.
When I first announced I was pregnant, before I even decided I wanted a natural birth, the first thing out of most women’s mouths was “Congrats! And make sure you get the epidural!”
@cdncinnamongirl – RE: “Most hospitals, especially in smaller centres, are not staffed 24h a day with OB and anaesthesia.”
Quite true! At the hospital I delivered at (and it is a decent size hospital), there are reserved spots for “OB on call” and “anesthesiologist on call” right in front of the birth unit. I don’t think there was even an anesthesiologist there when I gave birth because I said I didn’t want the epi so they didn’t even call him/her. And after I gave birth, my husband heard one of the nurses say she thought she was going to have to catch the baby because the OB hadn’t arrived yet (he did end up arriving in time) and my labor was going fast.
I know of women who have used blow-up pools in hospitals too! Water is actually a good way to deal with labor pains.
At my hospital there had a spa tub that women could use during labor as long as their water hadn’t broken yet. And they would let you labor in the shower if you wanted, they had big showers with chairs in them. My labor was fast enough I didn’t use those options, but there were available if I wanted them. My hospital also had “birth balls” (big yoga balls), I sat on one of those for a little while.
Post # 69
Really?! that’s odd, all the most convinced pro natural mothers I met have been from the US or the UK!
Here in Italy it seems to be perfectly normal to have a c-section, that’s what most women want and do
Post # 70
@abbyful: im a big fan of natural. did you see business of being born with ricky lake!?
it talked about how most doctors are trained in surgery and rarely see a natural birth in med school. then it talks about how hospitals create an unnatural way to give birth. women shouldnt be lying down–with gravity, they should be standing or sitting so gravity can do it’s work. then it said most c sections are at 5pm.
i think hospitals are for surgeries and sick people.
big fan of midwives!