(Closed) Netflix Making of a Murderer… anyone else watch??????

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Sugar Beekeeper
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shadybaby4ever:  loved it, it made me cry though and yes, this goes on all of the time.

the more vulnerable a person is (poor, minority, mentally or physically disabled, female, mentally ill, etc) the more likely they are to not benefit from truly blind justice.

I suspect it comes down to money and also the reality that we tend to identify with people who are most like us. What really makes me sad is how outraged people are when they see these facts laid out, but how easily swayed they are when they are a part of the community that is shunning and judging over perceived, external differences. 

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Worker bee
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I binged it too!  It broke my heart. You should check out the reddit sub if you want to hear people’s thoughts and theories if you haven’t already. How could they have possibly convicted brendan?  man..the justice system is sickenly messed up.  The only crime those two committed was being poor and unintelligent 🙁

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Buzzing Beekeeper

I’m a lawyer and while I don’t practice criminal law, I’ve done many things in law school and pro bono work regarding defendant’s/prisoner’s rights and such. It was probably the most heartbreaking and harrowing documentary I’ve seen yet. I’m actually midway through my second time watching it.

Other good ones on Netflix if you like this kind of thing are The Central Park Five and Into the Abyss. 

 

ETA: oh and I thought this was the best Tweet ever: 

kbye –  ‏@steffenwolfs  Best thing about finishing Making a Murderer: done listening to that DA’s soft lady voice 2:14 PM – 20 Dec 2015     

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Bumble bee
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I haven’t been so hooked on any programme since Breaking Bad! 

I don’t believe he, or his nephew, were guilty. I cannot believe that they allowed the nephew to go on trial in the first place. 

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Helper bee

I think I watched it in a day and a half. It was too good to stop. I don’t think I can say whether they are innocent or guilty but clearly the system didn’t work procedurally for them the way it should have. My heart broke for Brendan who just seems so lost in the process. He could have been involved in some way,  I guess, but his pre-trial attorney drove me nuts. Goes to show you always need to be your own advocate. God help you if you don’t have the skills and/or cash to afford good counsel.

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Bumble bee
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Couldn’t stop watching it! My heart went out to Brendan. I was left with a lot of questions. I also felt bad for Stephen’s parents. They never quit believing in their son. Thinking of spending 20 years in prison for something I didn’t do, then getting maybe 2 years of freedom, then going back for the rest of my life for something I didn’t do!? Terrifying. 

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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: January 2015

Just finished it, and it was heartbreaking and frustrating to watch! You keep hopeing for a just outcome, but it never comes. Brendan’s only “crime” was being young, poor and uneducated. And for that he gets life in prison! 

Two of the statements by Kratz that really stood out to me were:

“Reasonable doubts are for innocent people.”

(not a direct quote) but in the closing arguments, Kratz says something like, ‘if he’s guilty, who cares if evidence was planted.’

Spoilers:

At the end where they are both working on appeals and requesting new trials, it’s frustrating having watched the miscarriage of justice that went on and that they continually get denied. 

I have a question – Isn’t it a conflict of interest to have the same judge rule on your appeal or request for a new trial who ruled on your original case? Wouldn’t they be less inclined to be impartial and fair because they would be overturning themselves? How could that possibly be just?

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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: October 2013

I’m continuing my binge watching of this today!! SO good!

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Worker bee
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TheGridMonster:  Another good one is The Jynx on HBO. It literally had me pacing the room and going insane! Don’t google it because an additional ruling came out of the documentary.

SOOOO GOOOD.

 

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Honey bee
  • Wedding: August 2015

The creepiest part of this show for me was that this is literally right where my ex boyfriend grew up.  Like his mom lives not even 5 minutes from the salvage yard.  I had NO IDEA that this went on…granted we dated after it had taken place, but it was so creepy watching it and knowing exactly where these things were…

Spoilers!  Personally I think Steven is guilty.  I have some major doubts that he did not have a role in the murder…I have to wonder if maybe he did it so that it made up for his time he spent in jail for a crime he didn’t commit.  On the other hand I feel REALLY bad for Brendan.  How he was treated was absolutely inexcusable.  It was so obvious that he is not as bright as most people and I feel like they took advantage of that.  And now he’s rotting away in prison.  It’s just despicable to me.  When they were questioning him it was so obvious that they were trying to force a “confession”.

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Busy bee
  • Wedding: February 2016

The documentary really made me question things for the first time, like how defense attorneys are often on the same “team” as the prosecution, which really screws their (mostly poor) clients. My heart broke for Brenden, and for Steven as well. 

#1 thing I learned: don’t talk to the police, ever, unless you under arrest and you have a lawyer with you. They are not looking out for you or your best interest. 

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ValAsInVal:  At my college the sort of general freshman year experience class has some readings about law and justice and I tell my students, who mostly come from enough privilege that they tend to believe that police/authorities are their friends (but not from quite enough privilege for that to actually be true), “if I ever find out that one of you spoke to police without legal representation present, I will be very upset with you.”

As for this documentary, a few of my students have texted with me about it and it sounds like I’m going to need to have more liquor in the house before I attempt to watch it. 

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Worker bee

I loved the documentary. I’m from Wisconsin  and from what I remember about the case, Steven Avery was presented as a horrible person who committed a disgusting crime. This case was dragged all over headlines for quite some time. I remembered thinking that the nephew’s involvement kind of solidified Steven’s role in the murder due to his confession and having the supposed details of the alleged rape and gruesome murder sensationalized the crime even more. I think I was a freshman in college when the verdict was given so not exactly the most worried about the news, but the media loved talking about the burn barrel, etc. Jsonline.com (Milwaukee Journal Sentinel) just put up links to all of their archived coverage of the case on their website, which was interesting to look into.  One of my coworkers is from Manitowoc and she was so excited to go home over the holidays and see everyone’s opinion in the community. She said that when the documentary came out, many people’s feelings flared once again and several people she knew changed their Facebook pictures to one of Teresa Halbach. Whatever side you take, the documentary fosters a great discussion about the justice system.

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Bumble bee

Ever sat on a jury? That’s an easy way to lose faith in the legal system right there.

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