New baby with an anti-vaxx cousin.

posted 1 month ago in Parenting
  • poll: How to POLITELY tell cousins they can’t visit new baby.
    Just be direct with them privately. : (183 votes)
    81 %
    Make a generic post on Facebook and hope they see it. : (2 votes)
    1 %
    Just avoid them for as long as you can. : (20 votes)
    9 %
    I’m only here for the comments. : (21 votes)
    9 %
  • Post # 91
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    Bumble Beekeeper

    Also wanted to add that I agree with pp that it would be great if patients could be tested for possible allergic reactions before having a vaccine. Even though the risk of a reaction is extremely miniscule, I understand that it’s still always a concern and I see zero downside to that.

    However, when people say things like “you’re 5x more likely to have a seizure after the MMR than after contracting measles,” that is MISLEADING and frankly IRRESPONSIBLE to say. It’s exactly that sort of gross oversimplification that preys on people’s fears, gets them riled up, and feeds into the anti-vaxx mindset.

    Post # 92
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    Busy bee
    • Wedding: September 2016

    Just curious, how long do you intend to keep your cousins away from the baby? My son just turned two and just received his final vaccination until he turns four. Before that he was vaccinated against something every 2-3 months. teacher-bee-in-the-sea :  

    Post # 93
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    Buzzing Beekeeper
    • Wedding: August 2012

     LilliV :  some of those are combo vaccines though. I’m not so much worried about the injections themselves as they amount of vaccines at one time. The 2, 4 and 6 month are Rotavirus, diptheria, tetanus, pertussis, Hib, PCV13 and polio. That’s 7, plus a flu shot once baby is old enough.

    Like I said I am completely pro-vaccine, but for my own piece of mind we spaced them into two visits and our pediatrician was completely fine with that. I don’t think parents should be crucified for taking a slightly more conservative approach as long as the end result is a fully vaccinated child.

    Post # 94
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    Bumble bee

    Westwood :  yup. I’m of the same mindset. We will be breaking LO first round shots into two separate appointments, a week apart. 

    Post # 95
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    Helper bee

    In response to allergy concerns, one of the things about figuring out an allergy is a good family history; a lot of allergies have a very strong genetic component. If you and your spouse did not have a reaction to anything in vaccines, it’s less like your cihld will have a reaction. 

    The problem with doing allergy tests on infants so tiny is that you already see parents in this thread not being comfortable with 8 needle sticks in one day. Allergy tests will involve blood drawn from the infant – 1 needlestick left in there for about 2 mins while we collect bloods. AND very often, a scratch test which invovles scratching microscopic allergens into the skin and watching for a reaction. 

    If parents can’t stomach multiple injections in a day, not many will be happy watching a nurse scratch their infant repeatedly.

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    In response to being pro-choice about vaccines. To be a part of society, we all make choices, for example: we all choose not to murder, malm or steal from each other because to do so, we forgo our right to be a party of society and we get sent off to jail. Anti-vaxers (and pro-choice people) should be treated the same (because like crime, they have a huge potential to harm others); if you don’t want to conform to certain thresholds of expectations of society, you shouldn’t get to participate in it. 

    No one should benefit from a system that they do not believe in or contribute to. You like herd-immunity? Cool. Get jabbed and contribute to it.

    Post # 96
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    Helper bee

    ^ Oh, as for drawing bloods.

    I’ve had to help draw bloods from babies in the hospital as part of a peds rotation. One baby in particular was really hard to find a vein in, the crying and screaming through the multiple attempts (we used blacklights, ultrasound etc to help) by nurses, the attending I was shadowing AND the phelmbotomist to get bloods was 10x worse than giving any baby vaccines. 

    We stopped after 3 people attempted with no bloods, no results and basically they had to repeat the entire process the next day. Mom had to leave the room mid-way because it was THAT horrible (and refused to stay in the room the next day), the healthcare staff also felt like absolute crap after the entire process.

    Allergy tests are fantastic in concept, but I don’t know that I’d put every infant through the process of getting their blood drawn. I would absolutely support it based on a strong family history for vaccine allergies. Absolutely.

    Post # 97
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    Honey bee

    littlemissdimsum :  Do you draw blood out of a baby’s vein like you do with an adult? Any time my baby needed a blood draw, they pricked her heel (newborn) or finger and just squeezed out blood into a tube. 

    Post # 98
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    Busy bee

    We told people straight up. DH’s parents were behind on booster shots and he told them they wouldn’t be allowed to see the baby until they had proof they’d been to the doctor.  MIL finally got her booster when I was about 8.5 months pregnant😬

    Post # 99
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    Buzzing bee
    • Wedding: September 2017 - Pearson Convention Centre

    Our baby is 3 weeks old and we haven’t had her around anyone children that aren’t vaccinated. Both my husband and I need to protect our child not adults feelings

    Post # 100
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    Bumble bee
    • Wedding: September 2017

    This idea that the science behind vaccination is a “belief” gives nearly equal weight/validity to the opposite belief, that vaccines are dangerous, and I find it offensive. I “believe” in vaccines like I believe in gravity, and climate change. There is overwhelming evidence that vaccines save lives. We’ve made a lot of progress as a society; it’s really disturbing to see people in situations of relative privilege just decide based on feelings, not data, that they should put their child and other people at risk. 

    I don’t have kids yet, but work in global health. My kids will absolutely be vaccinated, and they will not be exposed to family members whose immunizations aren’t up to date. 

    Post # 101
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    Helper bee

    ClaudiaKishi

    Am in no way an expert (still very much a student), but nearly all the blood draws I’ve seen in-hospital were venous sites. It has to do with required volume and type of test being done. The method of choice is usually a venupucture for term babies, capillary blood draws (ie. finger/heel pricks) tend to have limitations on lab studies due to higher chance of contamination with skin bacteria and smaller volumes per draw. The only heel pricks I’ve seen done routinely were for the Guthrie test.

    I THINK the RAST/IgE test for infants and kids can be done with capillary blood too, but I’m not entirely sure..only ever helped with IgE testing on an adult. If it’s a venous site process, I personally wouldn’t put my kid through it…especially if nothing in my or my SO’s family history indicates potential allergies. I had to have a venous blood draw done as a 4 year old and it was easily the worst experience of my kid life. 

    Post # 102
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    Buzzing bee
    • Wedding: May 2016

    dgirl715 :  i commend you on this, my husbands parents were perfectly fine with getting all the shots, until they found out their insurance wouldnt cover any of them. I put up a fight about it at first, but realized i was fighting a losing battle. Our LO is now 4 months and niether of my inlaws have still gotten the vaccines we asked. I honestly gave up trying to force it. But hes also now gotten the majority of the big vaccines now, so im not as concerned or pissed as i was before. 

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