Post # 61
mrstravelbee12 : Hope the meeting goes well and he is open to feedback. Sounds like you were very clear, know what your boundaries are and the demands of the position were completely misrepresented. Not only the hours but the insane workload were one is bound to make mistakes is an issue. As a professional, don’t want sloppy work getting out but with an unreasonable workload that’s inevitable. I️ wonder how the boss doesn’t see that his misrepresentations only hurt the company. Personnel retention, training, hiring is an expensive and time consuming process. No substantive work can get done if constantly train new people. I️ would think he would want to hire a good fit candidate who is ok with insane hours than have employees quit after few months. Sounds like the new guy will be looking for a new opportunity shortly after you.
Post # 62
Coming in late, but, having worked at a startup…
I would tell them you’re not available for the 9pm meetings, but are willing to phone/skype in; and what happens, happens. You could also do some work from home.
With you and now another employee not happy, I wouldn’t be surprised if they back down. (In my case, the company came to realise they couldn’t expect long working weeks forever).
Post # 63
mrstravelbee12 : “The most unfortunate part of all this is that there’s no way to do this job without cutting corners and making mistakes- the volume is much too high. I was told that employees are averaging 60-70 hours per week and still turning in shotty work with errors- not cool imo. I spoke with someone who said their work life balance was manageable when we had X number of clients, but now we have three times as many and they’re expanding their services instead of offering support to existing employees. I think it’s unfortunate. I think he knows what’s going on deep down but doesn’t want to admit it. “
OK, you definitely need to start looking, because this company is going under. Poor management, understaffed, expanding without improving the existing shoddy services- who is going to use this company? A well established company might be able to get away with sending out presentations with minor typos or other sloppy (but infrequent) mistakes, but a new company does not have that luxury. Whoever is in charge are idiots if their business plan is working their staff to death and still sending out erroneous work. And it sounds like they are openly dishonest during their hiring interviews about the job expectations. Honestly, I’d worry about bounced paychecks soon. Disorganized and dishonest is a pretty bad combo.
Post # 64
I also don’t understand why everyone is jumping all over OP. She was super upfront about her expectations and they basically outright lied to her.
I also don’t understand why everyone thinks being married shouldn’t change your time commitments. Someone who is single might be able to put in a lot more hours at work without consequences but if you’re in a committed relationship it requires time spent together to keep it healthy. I dislike the American social more of “If you don’t work overtime for free, you’re unambitious and lazy.” Why should anyone want to work for free? Do I want to do my work well and effectively? Yes. But better believe that if they stopped paying me I would be a blur out the door. I work to pay for my life outside of work. I do not subscribe to the “I’ll relax when I retire” mode of thought like the people who live at their desks and never use their vacation time. If you love your work and want to spend all your time there, great. But that should not be the expectation. That’s corporate brainwashing at work.
Post # 65
Thank you all for the feedback. As the days went by, this became LESS about being a married suburban commuter and MORE about the quality of work/my integrity. It’s one thing if you are busting your a** to turn in work that makes you proud. It’s another when you are working those kind of hours and still turning in sloppy work. The hours and commuter trains aside, that simply does not work for me. Especially since I know they have to add several more clients before they can hire any support employees. It just wasn’t going to work for me.
The last straw was that I was tasked with coming up with a marketing plan for four clients through EOY in less than 24 hours to be presented to the client- and not just a baseline strategy, but a very “deep” dive- all social media content topics and the time of day they need to be posted, an engagement strategy, a full email marketing strategy including how the lists should be segmented, all content and what time we’d be sending the email campaigns, a media relations strategy etc. I didn’t feel like this was an appropriate ask for week 3 on the job- particularly something that was going to a client. These weren’t even clients that I knew much about nor did I have access to their prior marketing plans etc. IMO, this type of ask should require a week’s notice or more. This was on TOP of my existing work.
I pulled the owner aside and stated that I just felt like the volume of work was too much and that I couldn’t do quality work. He was not open to feedback whatsoever and just simply asked, “so, are you quitting?” I stated that if the volume couldn’t be reduced I simply won’t work well on the team- I’m the type of person that doesn’t work well maxed out and it wouldn’t be fair to the remainder of the team that does put in those kind of hours each day. He basically exploded on me and the conversation ended in me sending him my resignation and being walked out. At no point did I mention being a commuter or my spouse, although I did mention that the hours and workload were significantly more than what had been presented to me during the interview.
Not sure if I mentioned this earlier but the last person in this role only lasted a few months. This was a huge red flag for me before accepting the position, but I had been told that he had no marketing experience/it wasn’t a cultural fit and he also decided to refocus his energy on going to school for something else… I now wonder if that’s the truth.
Also, one other comment on the train schedule. I also reached out to my former boss at another company who commutes in to the city from the same train station as myself. She is pretty bad ass and also reiterated what the conductor said- she Ubers home if she can’t make the 6:40 train. The problem is this specific train line, not the train itself. As I stated my mom also took the train in to a different suburb and it was safe at pretty much all hours of the day- getting on an 8pm train was no problem. This train line, on the other hand, is pretty much abandoned after the 6:40 train. I am not a scared, frail female- I attended college in a major US city and would often take their public transit after my 9pm classes… but it wasn’t abandoned/a ghost train so I never felt unsafe.
Post # 66
mrstravelbee12 : I’m sorry it ended that way, but honestly– you’re better off. I’m currently “transitioning out” of my role where conditions sound really similar to yours, and I know how stressful it can be and gut wrenching to feel like you’re “throwing in the towel”… when the reality is, you’re not.
Good luck in the job hunt, hopefully doors open up for you that are a better fit!
Post # 67
Good on you for setting your own boundaries on that.
This wouldn’t work for me either and I totally get why you’re frustrated that they were misleading about the expectations of the job. When i was single and in my 20s I didn’t mind putting my career before everything else – including my own sanity. But I’ve realized that prioritizing my relationship, hobbies and health is necessary for me.
It was wrong of them not to be clear about what was actually required for the position and they’re going to have a lot of employee turnaround if they keep it up.
Post # 68
mrstravelbee12 : The last straw was that I was tasked with coming up with a marketing plan for four clients through EOY in less than 24 hours to be presented to the client- and not just a baseline strategy, but a very “deep” dive- all social media content topics and the time of day they need to be posted, an engagement strategy, a full email marketing strategy including how the lists should be segmented, all content and what time we’d be sending the email campaigns, a media relations strategy etc.
Pardon my language, but what the fucking fuck? If I were this marketing client, I would be livid to pay for the services of someone who was brand new to the company and had 24 hours to come up with a good concept- and did I read that right, that you had to do this for four different clients? So basically, their entire marketing platform is based on a newbie who had a few hours to come up with something?
Your boss is majorly over promising and based on the resources he’s allocating, he’s likely going to majorly under deliver. This boutique firm’s reputation is going to be toast in less than a year. The fact that they’re expanding right now when they’re already bare bones means they are likely desperate for quick revenues with no thought to long term business plans. These owners are piss poor managers and this boat is sinking quickly. Good for you for jumping ship.
Post # 69
Are they on glassdoor or indeed? I would add something so others know what they are getting into.
Post # 70
Daisy_Mae : omg RIGHT?!? i was thinking the EXACT same thing!! I mean sheesh. 7pm? in a big city?! God forbid the OP should have to ride with those undersireable muggles bc she’s made of unicorn yarn & puppy tears & is MARRIED… come ON, girl.
Post # 71
made2comment : That’s really unnecessary. If you’d actually read the OP’s updates, you may have been able to offer advice in a constructive way, instead of just trying to shame her for prioritizing her personal safety.
OP, from everything you’ve written, this company clearly misrepresented themselves to you. I felt you were very clear you value a work / life balance, and that’s perfectly okay. I’m very glad to hear you left. Best of luck in obtaining a position that is a better fit (and with a company that isn’t full of shit).
Post # 72
Your comment is really rude and unnecessary. As I said in my follow up comments I used to take public transit at 9pm but it was a different line. The problem is that this specific train line becomes abandoned after the 6:40 train. My former boss from a few jobs ago who lives 10 min from me reiterated what the conductor said – as she would also Uber home if she couldn’t make the 6:40 work. I’m not sure why everyone is jumping to these conclusions without knowing the specifics of the situation.
Post # 73
Let’s keep this thread polite and constructive please bees.
Post # 74
des- : oh COME OFF IT. i read what she said & i read every single comment in this thread. Why don’t YOU get off your high horse & read the comment i was responding to… it has 30 likes so far, so im clearly not the only one that feels this way. Don’t pick & choose who you bark at, & don’t police ppls’ thoughts or the way someone chooses to say things.
Post # 75
mrstravelbee12 : whatever chick. If you think your expectations/fears are reasonable that’s on you. I’ve never heard of a ” big city” who’s Subways are somehow also empty at 7 p.m…
That being said, yea, they DID misrepresent their hours, which you did clearly lay out, which is crappy of them to do.
Anyways, im out, Good Luck!!