(Closed) Newsflash: Trump chooses an all female Cabinet…

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Post # 151
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Buzzing bee

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passthepeas :  This isn’t a woman’s rights and equality issue. This is a choices have consequences issue.

If you decide to have a child, that changes your lifestyle- you have to take time off work for maternity leave, the kid will stay home from school sometimes, they will go to the doctor sometimes. Someone has to do that. Obviously, maternity leave falls on mom- no other way around that, biologically. 

Both mom & dad don’t have to attend every doctor’s appointment. Both mom and dad don’t have to stay home when Johnny has chickenpox and cant go to school for a week. If Mom & Dad jointly decide that MOM will be doing that, mom is putting kids>career, and will earn less. That doesn’t make dad a bad and uninvolved parent. It just means that as a FAMILY, they DECIDED that mom will be the one to take days off work and stay home. That means mom will earn less.

It’s not a women’s rights issue. Are you saying that you think women should be compensated from their jobs for taking time off to take their kids to the doctor, because that kid has a male parent somewhere who is out making money, so it’s only fair mom makes money for taking care of the kid? That’s how I read your post, and honestly that makes no logical sense. 

Post # 152
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Bumble bee

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SoonMrsCrocker2 :  
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tessadub :  Thanks ladies!! 🙂 (I edited out girls…I am sure you probably knew that was a compliment, but I wouldn’t want anyone to think otherwise or that it was condescending… that happened before on this board…lol)

Post # 153
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Bumble bee

I have been in the workforce over 20 years – I have NEVER ONCE felt my gender has hindered my career, or I that I have been treated in any sort of inferior manner due to my gender. If anything, I have embraced the positives of being a woman and used that to my advantage – as a result, I have had a very successful career. I chose not to have children – that was a CHOICE I made. The same CHOICE we all have .

Post # 154
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Bumble bee

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italianbride0508 :  I’m saying I believe in pay equality.  Mom will earn less and/or be promoted less in many instances regardless of if she misses work or not.  Same goes with childless woman.  Of course not all instances, but many.

Post # 155
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Bumble bee

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ct2015 :  Why are you screaming about a choice to have kids or not?  No one said you shouldn’t have that choice. So you have never experienced any gender based descrimination in your entire life, that’s good for you, you’re very fortunate.  You should try to understand that not everyone has the save experience as you.

Why do you have such a chip on your shoulder?  Honest question.  You just about always sound hostile.

Post # 156
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Bumble bee

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passthepeas :  

The so called “chip on my shoulder” – because I have worked with MANY women over the years that have bitched about inequality, being held back etc and PERSONAL EXPERIENCE working with them – they weren’t pulling their weight, they were in and out of work regularly with kid issues, always an “emergency”, their cell phones ringing all day with their kids, their kid’s school, their nannies, etc…they are DELUSIONAL thinking they were doing the SAME job. I am self employed now and don’t have to deal with these people, but now I hear about it all the time from my husband who does.

My experience wasn’t because I was fortunate, it was because of CHOICES I made. I worked the SAME job as the men. I wasn’t “vocal” in the office – I did what I was paid to do and minded my own business.

 

Post # 157
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Buzzing bee

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passthepeas :  OK. Can you define what exactly you mean by pay equality? I take it to mean equal pay for equal work. Is that your definition as well?

It’s been well documented that women don’t negotiate for more. Women apply for jobs when they meet 8/10 criteria, versus men 6/10. Lots of women (not all) choose jobs with more flexibility over higher salary, kids or no kids. 

In my professional career, I haven’t seen women be discriminated upon. I’ve seen women not ask for more, negotiate for more, prove their strengths, take on new challenges, etc, but I have never seen a woman blatantly paid less, for the exact same equal work.

Post # 159
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Supersleuth :  that’s just circular reasoning. women stay home because they’re paid less, therefore women are paid less for staying home. Doesn’t make sense.

Don’t know how it works across the pond, but in America you can make it if you want. If you’re willing to bust your butt and work harder than everyone else, you won’t be held back because of your gender. You might have to work harder than others. You might have some setbacks, and days that things don’t go your way or aren’t fair. Doesn’t mean the world is out to screw you over by paying you less for equal work because you’re a woman.

Post # 160
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Bumble bee

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Supersleuth :  Thank you, I got a migraine yesterday and lost my steam.  You explained what I wanted to.

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