(Closed) North Korea has declared war?!

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Post # 17
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Sugar bee
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@crayfish:  Wow, sorry for asking a question then. I did go read some articles after asking the question before coming back to the thread. Maybe I was asking you to clarify your statement and am not just being completely clueless. 

Post # 18
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Bumble bee
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The official White House response.

 

Don’t sweat it.

Post # 19
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Bee Keeper
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Just curious – how does everyone know that their missiles can’t get to the US?

Post # 20
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Buzzing bee

@futuremrsk18:  Whatever expert research they do. I havent looked at the reports, so I do have a sprinkle of concern, but not terribly much.

Post # 21
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Buzzing bee
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@futuremrsk18:  They can possibly get to Alaska, Oregon, Washington, California, Hawaii or one of the US territories in the Pacific Ocean. The other side of that is our country would likely retaliate right away, so it’d be their last one.

Post # 22
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Buzzing Beekeeper
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http://science.howstuffworks.com/north-korea-threat1.htm

 

Is North Korea equipped to attack the United States?

 

[Emphasis is mine]

 

“But it’s perfectly clear who is at risk: U.S. allies Japan and South Korea. While there is significant doubt that North Korea’s long-range missiles can reach the United States, there is no doubt at all that its short-range missiles can reach its neighbors, both of whom are very friendly with the United States. Japan and South Korea are the most likely targets of North Korea’s threats to take “physical measures” against the United States, whether those measures are conventional or nuclear. The U.S. military has significant assets in both countries, and analysts predict that a nuclear strike against Hong Kong could cripple U.S. international trade. And then there is the concern that has Washington truly concerned: North Korea sells its weapons to consumers who are not U.S. allies. Even the smallest nuclear bomb imaginable could lead to disastrous consequences in the hands of the wrong people. One of the sanctions the United States is pushing for as a response to North Korea’s nuclear capability is a complete blockade of its imports and exports.”

Even with North Korea’s true nuclear capabilities in doubt and an arsenal of high-tech weaponry positioned at its doorstep, U.S. territory is not completely safe. Experts predict that unless North Korea is persuaded to dismantle its nuclear arsenal or some other country dismantles it by force, North Korea will be able to strike the United States with a nuclear-tipped missile within 10 years.

The United States is currently equip with technology that could stop a North Korean Missile.

http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2013-03/us-says-it-could-stop-north-korean-missile-how

North Korea also hasn’t had the best luck with missile launches: http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2012-12/north-koreas-satellite-tumbling-out-control

Conclusion: Be wary and suspicious, but do not worry too much. Technically the war between North and South Korea never ended — a peace treaty was never signed. The Korean War is under a cease-fire armistice, but has not ended.

Post # 23
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Sugar bee
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@Hyperventilate:  Thank you for this.

 

My biggest questions center around their navy and air force. I actually found an article that claims their navy is totally based on photoshop and not even real (just read the headline since I was too skeptical to click their link). Everyone is so focused on the missile capabilities, and I’m curious as to whether their navy and air force are just that inept? Reading now.

Post # 24
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Interesting.

Ok now – is NK just insane?  Or did something happen that sparked this? 

Sorry – I just don’t follow this stuff normally. 

Post # 25
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Just want to thank everyone for the information. I have been really bothered (and yes, afraid) with all of the N. Korea propaganda.

Post # 26
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@HisMoon:  I’ll see if I can dig up anything. Their Air Force has a wikipedia entry:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_People%27s_Air_Force

“110,000 personnel
1,600-1,700 aircraft”

Just for comparison, this is the United States Air Force:

332,854 active personnel
185,522 civilian personnel
71,400 reserve personnel
106,700 air guard personnel
$140 billion budget
5,484 aircraft
450 ICBMs
63 satellites

The North Korean Navy seems to be a relatively small group too, primarily containing older ex-Russian or ex-Chinese ships that have been heavily modified. There doesn’t seem to be a lot of information on their ships (Especially how many ships are currently in service) however…

Note: Recent satellite images indicate that the empty hull of a Krivak class frigate was purchased by North Korea around 2003. The ship was likely bought from a Russian scrap dealer, lacking any weapons or radar upon purchase. While it was assumed that North Korea purchased the hull to scrap it for scrap metal, it remains in its original state for nearly five years, and has recently been transported from Wonsan to Nampo Harbor. Because the hull still remains intact, North Korea is believed to have plans for reinstalling weapons systems (including provisions for helicopters, naval guns and as a testbed for North Korea’s newly developed Anti-Ship Missile) upon the empty hull, subsequently transforming it into North Korea’s flagship. Furthermore, this claim is reinforced by the fact that a shipyard lies close to Nampo Harbor. Nevertheless, the ship currently remains only as an empty hull. Note: In the most current Google Earth imagery the Krivak is no longer in Nampho Harbor likely meaning the ship has either been scrapped or brought into service.

 

 

Post # 27
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@futuremrsk18:  It is my suspicion that they’re trying to, essentially, make a name for themselves. Beat their chest, stomp their feet and go, “Look at us! We’re scary! We’re a threat to the world! You better start respecting us!” They’re throwing up a lot of leaves to make them seem a lot more intimidating than they probably* are.

 

There are a lot more people better versed in this subject than I am, but some simple googling comes up with, “Really, no one knows why North Korea is suddenly so angry.” One political/world events blogger suspects it may have something to do with Kim Jong Un’s reputation with his own military leaders. I can kind of understand that — When you’re paying men to fill your military, how can they respect you and do as you wish when they do not feel you are a capable and successful leader? Kim Jong Un kind of was swept into dictatorship (?) when his father died, and with the way Korea is as we know it, there probably would have been a lot more grooming for him had he “ascended” and his father had simply retired, for example. He may not have the “know how” to be a leader and thus his military may be becoming unsettled or possibly have the intent on a coup.

* I wouldn’t put it past them to be tricksy bastards, but I honestly don’t think they’re hiding anything.

Post # 28
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Who cares if they can’t hit the USA, what about our friends in South Korea? They can certainly attack them.

It’s worrying, but NK have apparently done and said this sort of thing before. But a young dictator is not a good thing.

Post # 29
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Sugar bee
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So this is a little conspiracy theorist of me, but I’m wondering if they’re being emboldened by China in secret? This could all be China using a proxy to get the US acting first and therefore giving itself a chance to “retaliate” under the guise of protecting an ally. Yeah I know that makes me sound like the aliens guy, but it’s not necessarily that far-fetched.

 

I’m not surprised that North Korea is making these declarations since that’s pretty much the only reason they ever talk to the world anymore. I AM surprised at how far they’re actually moving to back up the talk. Maybe it’s just a function of how the media has been covering it, but it also seems like a rather fast move from talking big to crossing the 38th parallel.

Post # 30
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@paula1248:  I’d imagine using any sort of missile on South Korea would be a generally bad idea for the North Koreans.

 

 

 

If they were to invade South Korea, they’d have to get past the border which is currently occupied by multiple countries, so that would piss off everyone right then and there. North Korea’s army is currently occupied by 1,106,000* active duty men and women with 8,200,000* reserve. South Korea has an army of about 506,000** active duty men, however, South Korea is far more technologically equipped than North Korea, so even though they have half the men, they have better technology and better equipment, not to mention they have the United States & United Kingdom stationed there. It would be bad news bears if North Korea came over on foot, despite their large army.

 

 

 

 

 

*These numbers were obtained in 2010.
** Numbers from 2012

 

Post # 31
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Sugar bee
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I just looked up the stats… in 2011, we had over 29,000 U.S. service members in Korea.  🙁  That’s alot of people for them to hurt if they even just do something “small” locally in the Korean penninsula.

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