Post # 257
@lovelyrose: Yeah I agree that’s sort of insane but if the kid was quiet and behaved why continue to pay attention to them? Why not eat and enjoy your meal as intended…? I understand certain things can be distracting but damn if I was eating an $80-$100 meal I could care less what’s going on at the next table!
Edit: Posted this before I saw the other pages about it being an episode playing loud with no headphones. I just think it’s ridiculous when adults complain about a child being there and they are just sitting quietly or what not but obviously if a child is screaming their head off its a different story and they should be taken outside regardless of how nice and fancy the place is. It’s common courtesy!
Post # 258
@paula1248: Yes and no. I’m confident in saying the average adult at a Michelin star or equivalent price point restaurant is capable of behaving like a civilized human being for a couple of hours. I’m also confident in saying the average American infant or toddler is NOT capable of being silent for a couple of hours. So keeping that in mind, I don’t want young children in a nice restaurant with me.
Post # 259
@Rachel631: Side B (aka European side) says… we never expect to hear shrieking children, or see uncivilised behaviour. It needs to be nipped in the bud immediately. Because we never expect to see it, we do not try to confine it spatially or permit it within limits. Therefore, children can go pretty much anywhere and everywhere. I can honestly say that I don’t think I have ever seen an Italian child throwing a fit in public. Never ever.
That’s fine for children old enough to be developmentally capable of conforming their behavior to socially acceptable standards, but even the European side has to admit an 8 month old infant does not have the capacity to understand he needs to be quiet in a $$$ restaurant. There’s always the expectation that an 8 month old may start wailing at any given moment; that’s why they don’t belong at places like Alinea or the opera. Period.
Post # 260
@ButterflyButterfly: Me personally, I don’t have kids yet. But if I were in that situation, I would have cancelled the reservation. Yea it sucks I would have to wait a few months for the reservation, but my child is more important, and I wouldnt want to ruin a fine dining experience like that.
And just to note, I dont care if its an upscale restaursnt or a chain restaurant like applebees, its never acceptable to let you kids run a muck and scream at the top of their lungs
Post # 261
- Wedding: March 2012 - Pelican Grand Beach Resort
@Rachel631: I think Gordon Ramsey is wrong too.
Post # 262
@LoggerHead91207: I know people that fly first class with infants because there is much more space than economy classs. Even business class has more space.
As for everyone else, I think I have come across too many badly behaved adults at high end restaurants and similar venues. People talking loudly, turning up in (expensive) ripped jeans and a shirt, being rude to the wait staff, being pushy and rude not only to the waistaff but to other customers. To me, this is all worse than a baby crying.
Oh, not to mention mobile phone etiquette!!! Loud ringtones, loud phone conversations, checking messages in the middle of an opera, ballet, etc.
Post # 263
I spent an evening at the French Laundry last year. It was wonderful!
Not a child in sight, and I believe that’s as it should be. It’s an amazing experience, but not one I think children would be entertained by.
To be frank, I don’t enjoy children for the most part, and even somewhat older children have trouble controlling the volume of their voice while telling stories and so on. It’s not what I want to be around.
Sucks the sitter cancelled, but shit happens. Don’t be a dick and ruin everyone else’s dinner.
Post # 264
@sailor: But in that case, you just remove them when they start to cry. And kids are trainable… this is going to sound like an odd thing to say, but I’ve never heard a baby have a public hissy fit in Asia, and they take their kids everywhere. I’m not sure how they train them, but they have some well behaved offspring!
Just remove the fussy child from the room. Simples.
Post # 265
@Blueghostgirl: As I said, I have no opinion when it comes to airplanes. I understand why people would argue against babies in First Class, but I really don’t mind. Babies need to travel places too.
I agree with everything you said. It bothers me when adults act like that, no matter where I happen to be. I don’t mind a crying baby (babies cry, it happens); what I do mind is when the parents blatantly ignore the crying or feel as if everyone should just put up with the crying because the deserve a night out. It is more of the attitude of the parents in question that bothers me than the actual crying.
Please note, that the crying would only bother me in certain situations. If I’m in a family friendly restaurant or at the grocery store, then I expect it and it isn’t a big deal. If I was to go to a super upscale restaurant for a late dinner though. . . that is a different matter.