(Closed) NWR – Babies at fancy restaurants – yes or no?

posted 8 years ago in Parenting
  • poll: Would you take a young baby to a fancy restaurant?

    Yes

    No

    Depends on the situation (like if my babysitter canceled)

  • Post # 122
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    Helper bee
    • Wedding: June 2011

    @codysgirl16:  Um, no, not offended. Though I am not sure you really care if I’m offended or not? THis is just a difference of opinion. 

    Let me understand: There are just some places you don’t believe children should be, no matter how they are behaved.

    Post # 123
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    Bumble bee
    • Wedding: November 2013

    Oh hell no.

    Post # 124
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    Bumble bee

    @annifer:  I can’t speak for codysgirl, but as 

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    @MangoSong: said, a restaurant can’t tell by looking which children will behave and which ones won’t.  If the restaurant is forced to police the matter, they have to have a blanket ban or no ban at all, as “we can tell your child will be disruptive” will be disastrous for the restaurant on every level.  This is why in a properly functioning society it is best for parents to have enough social grace to realize that there are some places where their particular child should not be due to their particular child’s age and/or stage of development and understand that in those cases it is best if they voluntarily elect to keep the child out of the restaurant.  This is ideal: no one is disturbed at dinner and the restaurant does not have to create a wall of officious hostility between itself and its patrons right from the start by having a bunch of rules. 

    However, too many people no longer understand this responsibility and thus we see more things like bans on children–and I agree that such bans do lack a certain grace–because the restaurants are being painted into a corner by parents who just don’t get it. 

    Post # 125
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    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: November 1999

    @oneofthesethings:  

     I think they should have a “no children” policy,

    I agree, another reason I would blame the restuarant.

     They could have sold their reservation on Facebook within minutes – people do that for Alinea and Next all the time. 

    Well I think this just proves my case that Alina could have easily filled that spot if they allowed cancelations.  I donno if the couple called up the restaurant and said “hey we have an infant, and the babysitter canceled, can we get a refund?” And I donno how that conversation would ave ended but from the article it says they have a no-refund policy so it depends on the restaurant’s answer.  If they said “no, bring the infant,” then I blame restaurant.  

    If the parents didn’t ask then it is their fault.  OP said that they did not take the baby out when it began to cry and that is 100x their fault.

    Post # 126
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    Bumble bee
    • Wedding: November 2015

    @annifer:  Good points. In my personal experience, I’ve seen many kids behave well and many good parents keep their kids under control. However, I have also witnessed a LOT of kids acting however they want without the parents doing a thing or who outright ignore their kid. It stinks that it gives all parents and kids a bad reputations. I personally think that adults who don’t act accordingly should leave as well because they can be just as distracting as a crying baby.

    I do think that babies have a right to be in public places. They have places to go just like everyone else. And babies can’t control when they cry because they’re too little to understand. However, I do think that restaurants (and other public facilities) should have the right to decide whether to allow children or not. I think that parents should use their best judgement when deciding what their child can handle and can’t handle and what is or isn’t appropriate – for instance, maybe make a reservation at a dancy restaurant for lunch or a slightly early dinner instead of a later dinner.

    As for the couple in the article, I won’t comment on them because the article didn’t make it clear whether or not they attempted to comfort their child or attempted to step outside with him/her until they calmed down.

    Post # 127
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    Honey bee
    • Wedding: February 2013

    A young baby’s behavior can’t be controlled or predicted. It’s not like you can tell them to be quiet and behave, they don’t know any better. Any parent with half a brain should know it’s not appropriate to bring a baby to a restaurant like that. 

    Post # 128
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    Bee Keeper
    • Wedding: October 2014

    @mrsSonthebeach:  “ETA: as I’ve said in other posts, if my child couldn’t handle it, I would leave.”

    Unfortunately, by the time it’s become apparent that the child can’t handle it, someone else’s evening quite possibly has been ruined.

    Post # 129
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    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: March 2014

    I have left an Olive Garden before because someone wouldn’t quiet their screaming kids. So no, if I’m spending that kind of money to eat, I don’t want to listen to a kid at all. 

    There are some places I feel that should be adult only, fancy restaurants are one of those places. 

     

    Post # 130
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    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: November 1999

    @ButterflyButterfly:  Agree if baby fussed and parents just ignored it then it is their fault.  But I don’t understand why restuarant managers/owners have to be so PC about it.  How can asking one party to leave or quiet their child be worse then it annoying the rest of your guests?  I don’t get it.

    The worst kid-parent behavior I ever witnessed was at Outback steakhouse.  Granted there was a very large group celebrating something so I didn’t mind when the younger kids yelled across their table of 20 people or ran around it, but then the infant began to scream.  Instead of quieting the infant down these people incouraged it to scream.  They were all in it’s face going “ahhh” to encourage it to scream and when the baby screamed they would laugh and laugh.  Then they began tossing it up in the air and when they discovered that the baby would scream at the top of it’s lungs when they did this they just continued to do this.  Everyone around was giving them mean looks and we asked to be moved becasue we couldn’t even talk to each other it was dreadful.  At least outback is big and can move people.  The kicker was that when we were being shown to our new table the parent “told the infant” (Really loudly so we would hear) “See you’re being too loud now they have to go to Mcdonals.  I gave hi the deathstare.

    WTF is wrong with people.  I truly believe they were mental.

    Post # 131
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    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: May 2011

    I’m kind of shocked the restaurant let them in with the baby. You only get 3 Michelin stars if your food AND the dining experience is amazing. A lot of the NYC restaurants with 3 stars will turn people away if they aren’t dressed up enough. These places have a waiting list a mile long so they probably wouldn’t have been on the hook for the $, I bet this couple just didn’t want to forfeit their reservation. 

    Post # 132
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    Bee Keeper
    • Wedding: March 2012 - Pelican Grand Beach Resort

    @Horseradish:  Oh please, 30 seconds of a baby crying would ruin your entire evening?

    Post # 133
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    Helper bee
    • Wedding: June 2011

    @LoggerHead91207:  totally agree with your point on parents using their best judgement! And I know some don’t, which is disappointing. 

    And actually, I also agree that an establishment it within their rights to ban children under a certain age. Despite a hastily written post above, I don’t ACTUALLY think babies and children belong everywhere – loud concerts, a dance club, an inappropriate move, etc. 

    Post # 134
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    Helper bee
    • Wedding: June 2011

    @SouthernGirl:  Oh, you left Olive Garden. You dodged a bullet. 😛

    Post # 135
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    Bee Keeper
    • Wedding: October 2014

    @mrsSonthebeach:  and staying home with your baby will ruin your life?

    if I’m spending more than $100 on dinner for two (which is nowhere near the price tag on the restaurant in question) then 30 seconds of a baby crying will definitely destroy the “moment” and it’s just plain not fair for you to bother anyone with your baby, even for 5 seconds. Plus, it’s never 30 seconds of fussing or crying. It’s a minute or three of crying, then two minutes of parent trying to soothe the little one, then two more minutes for the parent to get situated to take the baby out. If you are saying you only need 30 seconds from first sign of trouble to removing the child, you might need a new watch.

    Post # 136
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    Helper bee
    • Wedding: June 2011

    @Horseradish:  It’s not fair to “bother” anyone with my baby, even for 5 seconds? Is that everywhere, or just at a super-expensive restaurant?

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