(Closed) NWR: Euthanizing Disabled Children???

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Post # 32
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Sugar bee
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I would want the option to do this. I don’t see any mercy in keeping them alive on a feeding tube and then pulling it to force starvation and death. Why shouldn’t you be able to euthanize? It seems to be much more merciful.

Post # 33
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Busy Beekeeper
  • Wedding: October 2011

I saw this as as two different subjects.

1. What is quality of life and how is it defined ?

2. What should be a legal death?

I see most people saying they would rather euthanize then let starve, choke etc etc by stopping life saving measures. To me the issue here isn’t about how to die, rather what constitutes the right to die when a person is viewed by the world as “suffering” , ” No hope” , ” Disabled” etc etc.

This reminds me of abortion, where people argue that a baby can’t survive outside its mother therefore, she gets to decide whether or not it lives.

It is all too painful to even imagine, and quite frankly I can’t offer an opinion because I have never had a severely disabled child.

If an adult wants to have a DNR ( do not resuscitate) then fine its their decision. But children who can’t articulate is to slippery of a slope!

Post # 34
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: May 2012

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@Mimoza:  These were my thoughts. :

 

 

Post # 35
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: November 2013

This is one position I don’t agree with the Catholic Church (which is why I’ve become lapsed) which maintains any assisted suicide is morally wrong.  I think if under the gravest of circumstances, suffering should be minimized.  I’d much rather die from an overdose of pain medication than suffer.

Post # 36
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Busy bee
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I personally am a believer of ‘everything happens for a reason’ and ‘when it’s your time its your time’. If my children were in a state like that then I would not want to euthanize them. They would still be my children and I would still love them. They could still have feelings and might not even be in pain. You don’t know if they are or not. I just don’t see where you could draw the line?

Even those people who are brain dead… or receive brain trauma .. is that really a reason to end their life because it’s not the same qualitiy of life it was before? What about those who become paralyzed? They are still the same person, just don’t have the luxury of full mobility.

Obviously, this is not just a black and white issue but I just feel that if we allow it then people will just take advantage of it, and that saddens me.

Post # 37
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Sugar Beekeeper
  • Wedding: October 2011

How long would it realistically take a person to die of starvation? I would imagine that these children are much weaker than the average person so their time would be shorter but still. Wouldn’t starvation just cause so much more unnecessary suffering? I agree that it’s a slippery slope but allowing human beings to go on “living” like this is completely inhumane. I agree with the PP’s who said that our animals have more rights in this respect. If my cat is suffering and we’re unable to do anything to help him, we would put him out of his misery. 

Post # 38
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: August 2012

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@MrsJoyful80:  Exactly!! Not to discount the pain of family members but oftentimes this choice is made hastily—my exFIL made the decision to take his wife off of life support within a week of her aneurysm, who knows if her situation could have been similar to yours if they had waited

I think it also comes down to belief systems, people who strongly believe in an afterlife may be more likely to send a loved one to a better place rather than see them suffer–those of us who do not believe in heaven have a harder time justifying it

 

Not to make it a religious debate, just an observation on the way that you view death being a factor here

Post # 39
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: August 2012

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@UpstateCait:  Not to be rude, but to say that our animals have more rights is a little backwards. Animals don’t have the right to decide if they want to be euthanized, in fact many many healthy animals are euthanized at animal shelters every day. And even sick pets aren’t asked if it is their choice to die, owners make the call. 

Human beings have the right to decide if they want to die, otherwise it’s murder.

 

Can you imagine if someone proposed euthanasia to solve the human overpopulation problem? Involuntary spaying and neutering of people? 

Post # 40
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@Ms Mini:  In my immidiate nuclear family, there are two doctors and two nurses and they feel the same way as you do. They are all for euthanasia. I personally am too. I’ve told everyone and I ought to go and make a living will actually. I remember being freaked out about the Terry Schiavo case. I felt bad for her husband because he said that is what she would have wanted and her parents fought him every step of the way even though she was just an empty shell of herself (according to medical science). However, if I fell into a coma, I’d probably want to give myself a bit of time, let’s say a year or less and if there is no recovery, I’m out. 

Quality of life is important to me. If I had to really suffer and not even be cognizant of anything, what kind of life is this? Please read this article, it’s very enlightening. Deals with exactly this sort of scenario. 

Post # 41
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Bee Keeper
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@DaneLady:  yeah, I don’t know how I feel about this, but I DO know that it seems WAY crueler to let them starve to death vs. euthanasia.

Post # 42
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Sugar Beekeeper
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@sylvia.riggle: I’m atheist therefore I do not believe that there is an afterlife. I’m still pro euthanasia in this case, though. 

Post # 43
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Sugar bee
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@sylvia.riggle:  I feel like this is one of the few thoughts that sits on my “Atalante is a bad person” card… but honestly.. there are many people out there who should not reproduce. :

Post # 44
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Busy bee
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@Ms Mini:

 First off, I want to say that I completely admire what you do for a living. I have spent my fair share of time in the hospital with my sick mother and I absolutely admire every single nurse for what they do.

However, I do disagree with you when you say you wish that euthanization was legal for those in the hosptial who wish for their life to be over. I think with all the pain killers and drugs that people are on in the hospital can cloud their judgement. I know this personally, because when my mom was in the hospital she indeed did ask my dad to just let her die and that all she wanted to do was give up. Now, of course my dad and I told her that we wouldn’t let her do that.. and its a good thing.. because right now while waiting for a smalll bowel transplant she is ‘almost normal’ and is living life the way she did before with only a few restraints.

I am sure that a majority of the clients that you do see that are begging for mercy are not as fortunate as my mother, but I ask you to keep in mind that some of those patients may have a miracle coming their way.

Post # 45
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Bumble Beekeeper

I don’t know what my stance on this but how awful that anyone should ever be faced with the decision.  My heart breaks for that family.

Post # 46
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Honey bee

If I were unable to actually live with any appreciable quality of life, I would rather be euthanized. I think competent people should have that choice. If it were my child and every moment of their life were miserable, then yes, I would suffer through the guilt of euthanizing them than to let them live and watch them suffer.

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