Post # 1
Maybe I should direct this to a ‘dog specific’ forum but I think you guys are likely to be able to give me a more useful and supportive response!
We have a beautiful lady dog, a Pembroke Corgi. She’s about 16 months old right now and although she has ‘sisters’ in the form of rabbits and guinea pigs, we think she could benefit from having a canine companion. We work full time through the day and she’s brilliant at home but I would just feel so much happier if she had some company.
Our plan was to go back to her breeder and get another puppy. Her mum had to be neutered after ‘our’ litter and I’ve just heard back from them that they won’t be having any more pembrokes for some time due to them not having a breeding female. I had my heart set on having a puppy who was related in some way to our one.
So we are now thinking about breeding our dog in order to keep one. Pembrokes don’t tend to have big litters (4/5 average), and the last time we met our vet she said she was a good specimen (we’re so happy with her temperament, she’s such a sweet little character). We know that having a litter would be a big commitment (time off work, expense, potential heartache) so I’m trying to get as much info as possible before we make any sort of decision (plus she’s got at least another 10 months before we’d do anything, after all of the hip/eye etc tests of course).
The Internet is full of horror stories, which while I appreciate that things do go horribly wrong, I’m looking for maybe a less biased view for the whole thing.
Id appreciate hearing your own stories if you’ve had puppies, good, bad and ugly! Would you do it again, was it worth it, how much were you out of pocket in the end (I don’t want to make money but its good to know what sort if cost we’re looking at)
Post # 3
Personal opinion: breeding is best left to reputable breeders. I could get into the whys, but that’s what it boils down to for me.
What about your pup’s father? Unless you bought from someone who is not a serious breeder, it’s unlikely that they’ll be without a female for long. You could wait for that, and probably have a puppy around when your dog would be ready to breed (if not sooner).
Post # 4
No. If you don’t show, compete or in some way exhibit your dog, leave it to the responsible, professional breeders that have experience. Also, if your breeder was responsible, they should have had a contract that you signed by purchasing the dog stating that you will either exhibit the dog because it is show (or herding) quality, or that you purchased her under a pet contract and have no breeding rights.
Additionally, people who are responsible breeders will not allow you to use their dogs to breed with an unknown, untried bitch just so the owners can have one puppy…
ETA: There are so many good breeders out there that you shouldn’t have a problem finding one that fulfills the commonly recognized appropriate breeding standards to get a lovely new pup!
Post # 5
Well, the idea of having 4-5 tiny little Corgi puppies running around sounds like the cutest thing ever, but I think if you are just trying to get one more dog and are not trying to become a “breeder” or trainer, you should just try to find another puppy. I think if you put enough work into finding a really reputable breeder where you can meet the puppy’s parents and get solid information on the pedigree, you can find a Corgi buddy for your girl without dealing with the risks and complications of breeding an entire litter just to get one puppy.
Post # 6
Yep… Sorry to tell you that I agree with the others. There is a huge pet overpopulation problem in this country. Not sure about the uk, but don’t start one!!
It is astounding to me that people sell unaltered puppies. I mean, selling is one thing (yuck), but an unfixed one? To me, that shows an utter lack of concern for this issue, And honestly, for dogs in general. Will you be willing to bear the expense of having x puppies altered, on top of all the other costs and time issues? How will you ever be sure the others truly go to a gOod home? A forever home?
your dog will be just as happy with an adopted mutt as with her own baby, I promise. It’s simply about finding the right match. Please get your girl spayed, and donate to a shelter to find her new friend. Don’t become part of the problem! Please!
Post # 7
There are GOOD breeders out there, that have dedicated years of their lives to improving the overall health and breed standard. You are not one of them. You purchased a pet quality dog, which means she is NOT up to the full breed standard. I’m sure she’s a lovely companion and has a wonderful temperment, and I’m sure you find her to be quite beautiful. But that doesn’t mean she’s of suitable quality to be bred – if she was, your breeder would not have had her available for sale. For the most part, breeders don’t sell their show quality dogs except to those who will show them properly, or to another breeder. I have no doubt that your breeder can refer you to others in the area that maintain the same high standards and can provide you with a companion for her.
Post # 8
@Pomapoo: thanks ladies. Yeah I totally get it re. You’re not a breeder, don’t do it (although people have to start somewhere right?). Incidentally we’re doing agility training with her right now with a plan to start competing her when she’s a bit older. For sure the easier route is to find another breeder… But I just wanted to make the point that we’re not just owning dogs just for a pretty face to come home to. She’s our first dog which is why I’m apprehensive of taking that step. Maybe in the future then when we’re a bit more experienced.
@tarlonda: I totally agree about irresponsible breeding and filling up dog shelters. It’s a cause I am completely sympathetic with, but unfortunately, extremely selfishly, I don’t want to go down that route for various reasons right now. As for the spaying, since she’s from show lines then its not done ‘as standard’ since you can’t show a neutered animal. Our breeder recommended 2 seasons before neutering (he said to fully mature her ‘look’) so we’ve gone with his recommendation so far, she’s just had her second season which is why we’re starting to think about the next move.
@MariContrary: yes I agree for the most part. In fact for our situation the breeder offered us 3 dogs (we actually had first choice after him and the stud dog owner) and he actually ended up swapping the one he picked originally with a boy he’d offered us (we were after a girl) so based on that, I wouldn’t say we have definitely only got a ‘pet quality’ dog. I can see where you are coming from though. He knew we had done interest in agility training.
Post # 9
@Corgi-cariad: I completely understand where you are coming from. One of our dogs is spayed and FI still talks about how cute her babies would be. However, I do think that it is a loooot of work and money. Also, you have no guarantee that any pups will be healthy or that your current dog will be ok.
It does sound like you have a very nice dog and, if you do breed, hopefully everything would work out for the best. And, if you do end up doing it, I would try to find buyers of the other pups before you breed and be willing to take them back if the owners decide they don’t want them anymore. Any good breeder would do the same thing for their puppies. Also, you should expect to pay for all their first shots, have them inspected, have them fixed, and do some basic training before youlet them go.
We spent a lot of time trying to find a companion for our dog too. We got turned down by a ton of rescues for ridiculous reasons. Finally, a friend of ours came over to visit one day and brought her 4 month old mutt. Our dog and her dog loved each other and, as it turned out, she was told by her landlord about a week later that she couldn’t keep him anymore. So he came to live with us!
Post # 10
I don’t even understand why you would want to put your dog through a pregnancy. If you have a reputable breeder, they’ll have a network of breeder friends that can help you choose a new puppy.
Also, anyone that would purchase a dog from a backyard breeder, as you would be, should do more research into pet ownership and breeds. Backyard breeding is irresponsible, and purchasing from a backyard breeder is even moreso.
Post # 11
@Corgi-cariad: This is a hot button issue on this forum, but ultimately you need to do what’s best for you. If you want to make a career out of it, don’t let people discourage you. Like you said, everyone has to start somewhere. And who is to say you won’t be reputable and responsible about it? You aren’t doing it to just fill your house with little puppies (though I would LOVE to have a house full of puppies if I had the space/time – I love dogs and want to foster).
As long as you research, network, take care of the breeding dogs and the puppies, and find good homes for the puppies, I don’t see why everyone gets so bent out of shape. There are already lots of dogs so no one else is allowed to become a breeder? Oooookay. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions 🙂
Post # 12
@Corgi-cariad: I have a very well bred corgi but I have not bred him, nor would I. I got him nuetered at the first available opportunity. When I wanted to add another corgi to the mix, I found one to rescue (a puppy nonetheless).
The breeder of my corgi, who is also the president of the Atlanta Corgi Club of America, actually lost money when she bred her pups. It cost a lot of money for the stud (the sperm was frozen and flown in from Ireland) and the testing, temperament evaluations, health screenings, vet bills, etc.
I love corgis! Love! But I would never breed them unless I showed dogs and was trying to breed a winning show dog. The last thing the world needs is more ill-bred dogs ending up in shelters. Especially corgis 🙁
Post # 13
@Corgi-cariad: It’s a good idea in theory, but stud fees, vet bills and the chance that the first go round with whatever male you find doesn’t take….
Just getting her knocked up could be a chore in itself….plus, watching a dog deliver puppies is only slightly less horrible than watching a horse do it, which comes in after a giraffe and the worst thing to ever watch give birth reigns on its throne of awful – The Elephant….seriously….I may never recover, think of a fire hose shooting pizza grease and then finally splat…baby elephant falls 7 feet to the ground, happy birthday.
At least cats have the decency to hide that process from us, but the twist comes when they choose to hide in the old hope chest from your great grandmother’s house in Kansas and deliver her little babies all over an heirloom quilt….thanks cat, awesome.
Post # 14
@Corgi-cariad: There’s nothing wrong with pet quality dogs! You’ll never see the difference, I promise. And agility is fantastic, it’s great for both dogs and their people. But that has nothing to do with conformation. When people are talking about improving and maintaining the breed, they’re talking about things that are things that you never even think about. Do you know her sire and dam’s history of hip dysplasia? What were their OFA ratings? Do you know her OFA rating? Has she been certified clear by a veterinary opthamologist? Do you know the other genetic conditions her breed is predispositioned towards? If you were intending to breed her, this should have been checked already. If you have no idea what I’m talking about without googling it, you’re not improving the breed. Hips, back and eyes are the ones I know off the top of my head, but I have no doubt there are more. Backyard breeders do more damage to the breed lines that they supposedly love and care about than they can possibly imagine. If you’re not intentionally breeding to get rid of those conditions, you’re likely breeding them IN.
Post # 15
@MariContrary: I mentioned in my first post, we would not consider doing anything before getting the hips, eyes etc tested-you can’t do that before 2 years old so since she’s not yet 2 then, no we’ve not had her tested. We are in the early stages of making the decision so I do appreciate all of these posts as its making me aware of everything we need to think about IF we go ahead with this, whether it be now or in the future 🙂
Post # 16
@MrsWishyWashy: In the UK corgis are no where near as popular as they are in the US so we are limited when it comes to finding a breeder let alone a puppy-we had to travel over 500 miles for ours so as you can imagine we are completely committed to her and would do the same again for a companion. I am just so shocked that corgis are filling up shelters in the US-I mean, no dog deserves to be abandoned, but a corgi?!? Cannot fathom!!! We would not be able to get one from a shelter because, well, they just don’t turn up because I guess they’re not easily accessible and as a result the breeders are doing a really good job of vetting the prospective owners.