NWR: Is Trump gaslighting us?

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Post # 257
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Sugar bee

This is doing the rounds in the UK

Post # 258
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: March 2017

araebo5585 :  yeah definitely. I don’t really care for trump but when everything gets sensationalized it makes things that do matter harder to trust. 

Post # 259
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Bumble bee

Speck_ :  I think you’re right about what he may try to do with the penal population.  Some sheriff has already volunteered his prisoners. 

I was being somewhat facetious about the job creation but the federal hiring freeze wouldn’t impact the wall building because they wouldn’t have hired  the “wall builders” as federal employees, but as independent contractors. Still a job even if you don’t have benefits. That was one of the pluses for ACA you could still have health care as an independent contractor.

A lot of the work the Feds do is with independent contractors- actually huge general contractors who then hire subs when it comes to things like construction, security, etc.  interestingly the Feds take a long time to pay contractors- but you knew you would get paid eventually. That could change given Trump’s history 

Hope I didn’t muddy the waters. This is such a good discussion. I want to throw this out. I can understand the inclination to ignore all the stuff going on because, for me it’s overwhelming. But I can’t ignore it and stay quiet. I studied German history, in particular 1910 to post WWll and the similarities are frightening.

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Buzzing bee

fscarlett :  I wish I could give your post a thumb up more than once!

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Sugar Beekeeper
  • Wedding: June 2015

fscarlett :  ugh you just gave me the chills. It’s a bit China, a bit North Korea. And a bit that time period in Germany. 

Its stunning how many executive orders he’s signed in just days, a few the regular things we see from party to party like the global gag rule, and others so troubling it’s tough to even know where to start. The torture thing is up next.

i remember when republicans were accusing Obama of being a dictator because after he waited for years for congress to act on immigration, he finally signed and EO for dreamers. 

They sued him over it. 

And now look at them. Talk about expansion of powers for the executive branch. And they’re supposed to be small government conservatives. He’s also totally nonplussed by the bills he’s racking up. Doesn’t care about the debt.

watch his supporters, who trolled Obama over bush’ s debt for 8 years, shrug off trump saying it’s no big deal that he is t trying to pay for these  things. They do not care what he does, he’s a messiah to them. 

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Bumble Beekeeper

BalletParker :  “They do not care what he does, he’s a messiah to them.”

THIS. It’s so disturbing. I’m sure all politicians lie, but I’ve never seen anyone do it so blatantly as Trump…yet his supporters literally do not care. 

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Honey bee
  • Wedding: December 2013

somathemagical :  You read from reliable sources and you read a lot. Read the NYT, Reuters, AP, Washington Post, BBC, and other foreign press. You take it upon yourself to learn about bias and the use of rhetorical fallacies so you can cut through the more biased-yet still credible-sources (The Atlantic, The Hill, MSNBC, etc.). You work to recognize extememe bias (Brietbart, Addicting Info…I suggest ignoring these) and you ignore all fake news. You always question, but know that the media, while of course controlling what we read about, is there to help inform us. You do NOT believe something is wrong simply because Trump or anyone on his team says it is. Yes, he’s a manipulative, disgusting human being who played to a particular base to get elected. 

I will never understand the hypocrisy of what people claim they want from our government and who they vote for. The Republican Party is not the party of the people. They do not represent the interests of middle and lower class Americans. They fire them up with talk about the “elite” (btw, not a burn) who don’t understand them, the women using abortion like birth control, the gays who are ruining “traditional” family setups. If you actually cared about decreasing abortions (making it illegal is ineffective), you wouldn’t rail against PP and other services who provide affordable health care and birth control. If you cared about the economy, you’d vote for the party who wanted to focus on middle-class Americans first (the Dems) and not provide tax cuts to the top 1% and corporations. People do not take it upon themselves to be truly informed about the policies of their representatives, and this vote based on misinformation and ideas of “well, he says he will repeal the ACA, but I don’t think he really will. I like that he says whatever he wants. It’s refreshing.”

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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: October 2016

“Give him a chance” they said…
To recap:
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the DOJ’s Violence Against Women programs.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the National Endowment for the Arts.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the National Endowment for the Humanities.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Minority Business Development Agency.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Economic Development Administration.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the International Trade Administration.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Manufacturing Extension Partnership.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Community Oriented Policing Services.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Legal Services Corporation.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Civil Rights Division of the DOJ.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Environmental and Natural Resources Division of the DOJ.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Overseas Private Investment Corporation.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Electricity Deliverability and Energy Reliability.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Fossil Energy.
* On January 20th, 2017, DT ordered all regulatory powers of all federal agencies frozen.
* On January 20th, 2017, DT ordered the National Parks Service to stop using social media after RTing factual, side by side photos of the crowds for the 2009 and 2017 inaugurations.
* On January 20th, 2017, roughly 230 protestors were arrested in DC and face unprecedented felony riot charges. Among them were legal observers, journalists, and medics.
* On January 20th, 2017, a member of the International Workers of the World was shot in the stomach at an anti-fascist protest in Seattle. He remains in critical condition.
* On January 21st, 2017, DT brought a group of 40 cheerleaders to a meeting with the CIA to cheer for him during a speech that consisted almost entirely of framing himself as the victim of dishonest press.
* On January 21st, 2017, White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer held a press conference largely to attack the press for accurately reporting the size of attendance at the inaugural festivities, saying that the inauguration had the largest audience of any in history, “period.”
* On January 22nd, 2017, White House advisor Kellyann Conway defended Spicer’s lies as “alternative facts” on national television news.
* On January 22nd, 2017, DT appeared to blow a kiss to director James Comey during a meeting with the FBI, and then opened his arms in a gesture of strange, paternal affection, before hugging him with a pat on the back.
* On January 23rd, 2017, DT reinstated the global gag order, which defunds international organizations that even mention abortion as a medical option.
* On January 23rd, 2017, Spicer said that the US will not tolerate China’s expansion onto islands in the South China Sea, essentially threatening war with China.
* On January 23rd, 2017, DT repeated the lie that 3-5 million people voted “illegally” thus costing him the popular vote.
* On January 23rd, 2017, it was announced that the man who shot the anti-fascist protester in Seattle was released without charges, despite turning himself in.
* On January 24th, 2017, Spicer reiterated the lie that 3-5 million people voted “illegally” thus costing DT the popular vote.
* On January 24th, 2017, DT tweeted a picture from his personal Twitter account of a photo he says depicts the crowd at his inauguration and will hang in the White House press room. The photo is curiously dated January 21st, 2017, the day AFTER the inauguration and the day of the Women’s March, the largest inauguration related protest in history.
* On January 24th, 2017, the EPA was ordered to stop communicating with the public through social media or the press and to freeze all grants and contracts.
* On January 24th, 2017, the USDA was ordered to stop communicating with the public through social media or the press and to stop publishing any papers or research. All communication with the press would also have to be authorized and vetted by the White House.
* On January 24th, 2017, HR7, a bill that would prohibit federal funding not only to abortion service providers, but to any insurance coverage, including Medicaid, that provides abortion coverage, went to the floor of the House for a vote.
* On January 24th, 2017, Director of the Department of Health and Human Service nominee Tom Price characterized federal guidelines on transgender equality as “absurd.”
* On January 24th, 2017, DT ordered the resumption of construction on the Dakota Access Pipeline, while the North Dakota state congress considers a bill that would legalize hitting and killing protestors with cars if they are on roadways.
* On January 24th, 2017, it was discovered that police officers had used confiscated cell phones to search the emails and messages of the 230 demonstrators now facing felony riot charges for protesting on January 20th, including lawyers and journalists whose email accounts contain privileged information of clients and sources.
And today: the wall and a Muslim ban.

 

More agencies are going rogue to circumvent his censorship and “alternative facts” AKA lies. 

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Buzzing bee

Hey everyone just a cool reminder that today is Holocaust Remembrance Day and DT failed to mention the targeted genocide of 6 million Jewish people–or Jewish people at all–in his statement. But then it’s not like there’s virulent anti-semintism amongst his supporters or administration right? 

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