(Closed) NWR: Mom Stopped Talking to Me (Politically Related Long Vent)

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Post # 121
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Busy bee

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Sunfire :  I can’t agree with you. It is never acceptable to single out individuals based on religion. Period. I think it is a gross intrusion of civil liberty and the bill of rights, and quite frankly it was completely irresponsible of a surrogate to even mention that there is precedent for internment camps.

Post # 122
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Bumble Beekeeper
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Katie-Didnt :  It was an offhand remark spoken by someone without any authority.

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Sunfire :  If during the campaign a Clinton surrogate made an offhand remark about registering all the Trump voters because some of them might have been in the KKK, and said something about there being a legal precedent for the registry and by the way there was also a legal precedent for internment camps, you would not be so dismissive.

Post # 124
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Katie-Didnt :  Obama had Al Sharpton all up in the White House so that argument goes nowhere with me.  Sorry.  This is what happens when you let special interests and a race baiter, tax evader like Sharpton have too loud a voice in your administration.  It diminishes your credibility.  It gives room for someone like Steve Bannon to rise to power, as he has and he will.

Keith Ellison has said some abominable things.  Hillary Clinton has, too.  “What difference does it make?”

For the record, I am entirely against any American citizen, of any faith, being put on a registry to track them.  That won’t happen because it would be a violation of their civil rights.  Civil rights are not going to go away.  The youtube video shows an interview with a person who has little to nothing to do with the upcoming Trump Administration. 

If people would take a step back and stop fanning the flames of discord and try to find some common ground it would make a much better country altogether. 

I have a sincere question.  How would the Clinton supporters want the Trump supporters to be behaving right now if Clinton had won the election? 

Post # 125
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Busy bee

Sunfire :

I’m sorry but what the hell do Al Sharpton and Obama have to do with me saying the rhetoric of this man on the video is unacceptable?

and how would I want Trump supporters to act? Well, considering the oath keepers and several militias were preparing to protest if Clinton won, I at least knew what to expect if Trump lost.

http://nypost.com/2016/11/02/meet-the-militia-monitoring-voting-sites-for-fraud/

But this is a great diversion as to why you think this sort of rhetoric about internment camps and national registries for Muslims is ok, even if he doesnt mean a word of it.

Post # 126
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Katie-Didnt :  I NEVER said that was ok with me.  Do not put words in my mouth.

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Sunfire :  You literally just spent half your time arguing with me about how the dude who made the comment was “just making an offhand remark” and then trying to somehow say Al Sharpton and Obama made Trump bring Steve Bannon to the White House. 

How exactly is that NOT being dismissive?

Post # 128
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Katie-Didnt :  My point is that the far left seems to think it is perfectly ok to shout anything they want about the right, and cry victim, and not expect the right to retaliate in same. 

I am making an observation here.  Using Al Sharpton as an example as to why now people think it is fine to make their racism apparent.  What’s good for the goose, so to speak.  It was bound to happen, I could see it coming at least 3 years ago.  Burning down Baltimore, Ferguson, BLM, etc., was bound to take its toll and allow shit like that youtube video to now become “acceptable” in some people’s minds.  (Not mine).

My point is that NONE of it is acceptable in a civilized nation.  None of it.

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Buzzing bee
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Sunfire :  why do you consistently repeat things after it has been pointed out to you that you are misrepresenting the facts? I know that I responded to you on a different thread and explained the context of “what difference does it make?”

Post # 130
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WestCoastV :  I know exactly what “What difference does it make” meant.  No worries.

But you’re funny thinking that just because you tell me I’m “misrepresenting the facts,” you actually think that makes it real.  Only in your world.

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Sunfire :  If you find both unacceptable, why did it take you 4 posts in and going back and forth with me to say the words of the man on the video is unacceptable?

Was this just disagreeing with me on principle?

 

Post # 132
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rkwburke :  Amen! The amount of hate I’ve seen here on this site and this post from liberals is amazing. They have only to look at themselves to blame.

 

To the OP:

Your mom is an ignorant, childish, cow. Consider yourself lucky that she isn’t speaking to you. You’re probably not missing out on much. I have no idea why people who have commented on this thread think this type of behavior is acceptable (no matter who you voted for). She might be your mother, but she needs to respect you and the person you married as well. Think of it as a break that you desperately need. You’ll have a lovely Thanksgiving with your husband and children.

 

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Katie-Didnt :  My first post in response to the youtube video was: 

It is not going to happen. 

The only people who will be “registered” will be people who are not currently American citizens, who want to come to the United States and are coming from countries known to sponsor terrorism and have a deep hatred for the American way of life. 

The terrorists themselves have told us time and time again that they WILL come with the flood of people wanting to emigrate.  We really need to believe them.

I have a bad feeling the next terrorist attack will be in a so-called sanctuary city.  The people who really hate us are loving being coddled and protected by those they consider their future victims.

By saying “it is not going to happen” I was neither agreeing nor disagreeing with the video.  I saw that interview, it was stupid and the person being interviewed doesn’t know what he’s talking about and has nothing whatsoever to do with the Trump Administration.  It’s hard going back and forth just posting to be exactly clear, I know. 

I apologize for not making it more clear sooner that I disagree with what was said on the video.  I think by even posting it it’s just stirring the pot of discord even more.  Spreading the hate.  I am against that.

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Sunfire :  Saying it in the first place is spreading the hate. He went on national television and said it. He was wrong. And he misrepresented the administration which is also wrong. And since you want common ground between liberals and conservatives, condemning statements like this made by either side is something we should be united on. But in order to do that we need to recognize it, share it, and be aware of it. Not ignore it or dismiss it because “Al Sharpton/Donald Trump/Mickey Mouse did it first so its ok.”

I don’t want your civil liberties to ever be trampled on as a *edited for accuracy* Christian. But that also goes for Muslims in this country as well as my secular liberal ass. So if either side is saying something suggesting trampling on civil liberty, we should be ok to call it out, NOT defend it and call it spreading “hate” to call attention to it.

Fair?

Post # 135
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Katie-Didnt :  I agree and fair enough.  But, please, give this new administration a chance to do what is best for America.  If you and I don’t approve of the job he is doing in 4 years we can vote him back out.  My husband praised my perfect Presidential voting record, my entire life I’ve never voted for a candidate who lost, lol.  Of course a lot of people can say that.  Don’t forget I voted for Obama twice.  The Democrats screwed up this time.  I hope they can learn from their mistakes and grow and become inclusive of all the people, all the time. 

I am not a racist.  Never been called one in my entire life until now, and even then only in context of this election.  I did not vote for Trump because of his social views, many of which I disagree with, I voted for him because I believe we need a very strong leader and he will be one.  If he’s not, on to the next person who can better lead.  If he does a great job and our country comes together, with some forgiveness and tolerance on all sides, wiping the slate clean and starting anew, that will be a good thing.  Some Democrats are vowing to work with the new administration towards the best for everyone and I highly respect and admire those who are. 

Focus on the good.  What you pay attention to grows.

OP:  I’m so sorry we’re getting off track about what is going on with your family.  I wish you all the best and hope your family can find some common ground and have peace soon.  Politics can be such an ugly game.  It shouldn’t come between people because MOST of it is misunderstanding and just not being willing to listen to the other side with an open mind.  I admire Martin Luther King, Jr., so much.  I take his message to heart, which was about peace and love, not fear and hatred.

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