(Closed) NWR: Staffy blamed for killing dachshund – thoughts?

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Post # 2
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Bumble bee

I don’t think breeds matter. An offleash dog charges and attacks an on leash dog. Dog protects itself and owner. 

 

Doesn’t Really Matter what The Other Owner wants… 

 

Also you should never  put yourself between fighting dogs. 

 

Just a brief addition.  I have a large breed dog who is always on leash. In our neighborhood,  which is on leash with min $500 fine… there is a little white puff ball that is always off leash.  And always charges my dog and attacks. Twice I have had to literally plant myself on the ground to ensure my dog could not get him. 

My dog has been bitten, bloody, limping… and it’s just an awful shit little dog. It has also made my dog mistrustful of strange dogs. 

 

We finally went to the police, my fh had spoken to the owner and he just laughed

 The police were  very supportive of us and spoke to the family and demanded  they leash their dog, and warned them that if my dog bit back it would be their fault. 

I also worry about disease etc from the biting.

An owner is responsible for controlling their dog, and leashed when required. 

 

 

Post # 3
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: February 2016

sbl99 :  I hate it when there’s been a story of a dog bite, either against someone or another dog, the first question is always ‘what breed was it?’ The answer is expected to be staffie or other bully breed. The second question is ‘was it a large dog breed?’ Again people expect it to be a large dog breed.

The fact is that any dog of any size and breed can be a dangerous animal given the lack of training (or in some cases the right training). I’ve known badly trained large and small dogs, although small dogs do get a way with a lot more. My next door neighbour’s dog is about 2kg, has no road sense (we live on a 60mph road), the owner has no recall and the dog was running towards the road when I stopped it and it went to bite me. Personally most staffie owners that I’ve come across have worked so hard at training their dogs because of the staffie reputation and have amazing dogs. 

I hope the woman with the staffie tried to diffuse the situation rather than letting her dog continue to attack. I think the owner of the daschund is to blame though. She should have been able to call her dog back and should not have allowed it to run to an off lead dog. Dogs on leads can feel more threatened and that staffie has 3 dogs off lead running towards it. That woman is obviously grieving but she is the reason that dog wasn’t trained enough, not the other woman.

Post # 4
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Helper bee

sbl99 :  Yes the woman was wrong to let her dog get off lead but she did. The staffy owner clearly wasn’t capable of controlling her dog wether it was on lead or not, so to say the breed doesn’t matter is just not true. If she had a smaller/more placid breed she would have been able to either pick her own dog up or control it better. 

Also it’s a daschound, was she really incaple of picking it up or pushing it away without her staffy mauling the poor thing? Again, if she had a dog breed she could control, this wouldn’t have happened.

I’m a firm believer that if you are going to have a dog, you should be capable of controlling it even in unforeseen circumstances. People shouldn’t be getting staffies, German Shepards, Rottweilers etc. if they aren’t strong enough to manage them. (or at least they shouldn’t be taking them out in public)

Also, how weak and or panicky was this woman that she couldn’t pick up her staffy in an emergency situation like this, if she had of this whole thing could have been avoided. (perhaps she just didn’t care enought to try).

 

Rant over, I just hate seeing people with large or strong breeds they can’t handle, without considering the potential for things to go wrong.

Post # 5
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Helper bee

loz24 :  Why was she incable of stopping her dog from attacking tho?

She shouldn’t be out in public with a dog capable of that amount of damage if she cant control it. Suppose a child had come running over?

Post # 6
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Helper bee

 

sbl99 :  Suppose a child hadn’t been being propely supervised and had run over to pat the staffy and had poked or hurt it accidently, causing it to attack the child?

If the women who owned it wasn’t capable of controlling it in this situation, would she be capable of controlling it in that?

Once again, getting dog breeds you cant control is dangerous and irresponsible. You cant control others irresponsibility but you can control your own. This woman who owns the staffy is at fault. (sorry to rant again but I hate hate hate hearing about this kind of thing)

Post # 7
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Buzzing bee
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barbyq :  it wasn’t just a case of picking up one daschund. There were 3 dogs, 2 daschunds and a Labrador. No matter how strong you are, one person can not pick up/separate four dogs. Even four small dogs. According to her statement, she was moving her son out of the way of the Labrador that was barking aggressively. Again, she can’t move her son and a dog by herself. Nobody can but does that mean a parent shouldn’t take their kid and dog to the park because you might have to pick your dog up?

As I said, I hope the staffie owner tried to diffuse the situation either by genuinely trying to find the owners or by yelling at the dogs to stop. At our dog training I’ve been taught a stop command and have used it against another dog when mine was being attacked. However, it’s not a common thing to use. If my dog is not on her lead and runs out in front of a car, I’m to blame for not being able to recall my dog, get her to stop or actually have her on her lead. Obviously if the driver of the car is speeding, that will worsen my dogs injuries but I am to blame for not being in control of my dog. The woman of the daschund is to blame for not being in control of her dogs. The staffie jaw, it’s powerful bite and size of the dog worsened the dog’s injuries.

I agree that people shouldn’t be getting dogs they can’t control and to me that suggests the woman of the daschunds. You can lack control of any sized dog. It’s not a large breed thing. From a practical point of view, if your dog is severely injured on a walk you should be strong enough to carry that dog back to the car/house, so we should determine if we are capable of carrying 30+kgs now and for the next 15 years (barring any life changing event).

Post # 9
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Bumble bee

If your dog isn’t leashed I have very little sympathy for what happens to it. That said, a dog should not be so trigger happy that it visiously attacks like that either. What if it was a child?

This reminds me of a thread on here a couple weeks ago where a bee’s unleashed dog charged the postman and he kicked it in the face in defense and she was offended by that. Pretty much the consensus was that her off leash dogs and her were in the wrong.

Irresponsible owners are to blame ultimately as these are just animals and are not to be 100% trusted ever.

Post # 9
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Helper bee

If this was a stronger man (or woman) who was capable of both sheilding his son and picking up his dog, this wouldn’t have happened. Once again dont get dogs you can’t control and I mean control physically.

I’m sorry, but I’m also from Australia and I’ve seen far too many morons who get these dogs as bogan fashion statements then fail to control them (but somehow it’s never their fault of course).In fact my own sister is one of them!

Near where I live there’s a older woman who has two large gaurd dogs (for lack of a better word), a German Shepard and a St. Benard, who go absolutely bonkers at anyone who passes by her house. This lady has a fence with wide gaps in between the rails that those dogs can’t fit thru but a smaller dog could. I often see two children walking a jack russel in the same area and I’m always afraid it will get away from them and get thru the fence and be killed. Now if this happened the lady who owns the bigger dogs would have broken no law and wouldnt be at fault. BUT she could easily prevent it by getting a solid damn fence!

Maybe don’t worry about assigning blame and think about prevention. This woman couldn’t handle her staffy, she shouldn’t have got it in the 1st place. End. of. story.

Post # 10
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Helper bee

chocolateplease :  You have no sympathy for the dog who died? It’s the owners who are at fault.

What a despicable attitude.

Post # 11
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Bumble bee

barbyq :  Don’t misconstrue what I posted. Clearly I’m pointing to the owners being at fault. If owners keep their dogs leashed and trained properly, generally these sorts of things don’t happen. Had the dog been on a leash, he’d probably be alive right now.

Had you read my whole post you’d see I’m also not ok giving a pass to the attacking dog’s owner either. Far from it. As PP pointed out, that owner should not be out in public with dog they cannot properly control. A child could just as easily have run up and been mauled.

I’m entitled to my opinion (which again for clarity blames all parties involved), sorry you’re butthurt bc I’m not crying for off-leash dogs worldwide when something bad like this happens to them. Keep your dogs on leashes. Own dogs you can control. Thanks.

Post # 12
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Helper bee

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Post # 13
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: February 2016

barbyq :  how is blaming the owners having a sociopathic attitude? You can assign blame to the owners and still be sad that a dog has died. Nobody, at any point on this thread, has said they aren’t sad that a dog died. However, those 3 dogs should have been on a lead and physically controlled by their owners. They weren’t. They were injured as a result of the owner’s negligence. The owners are responsible to what happens to them when the dogs are not under their control.

This is not a breed issue. This is an owner issue.

Post # 14
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Helper bee

The smaller dog should have been leashed and started the fight. But the staffy is dangerous. 

In my eyes, the dachshund and its owner have already paid the ultimate price for their mistake. However, I do not think that a dog that willingly fights to death is safe in the community. 

Post # 15
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Helper bee

loz24 :  It is a breed issue because the woman who owned the Staffy was unable to stop it mauling another dog even when it was on a leash. Could the same be said if it had of been a leashed Jack Russel?

She wasn’t strong enough to physically pick up or restrain her dog, while yelling or kicking the other dogs away, so she let the other dog be mauled. As the poster above stated, the other dog and owner have already payed dearly for their mistake. I’m not saying to put the Staffy down, I’m only saying that she shouldn’t be taking it out in public if she can’t deal with a situation like this which could easily occur again.

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