Post # 46
italianbride0508 : lol I think you’re talking about yourself. We’ve repeatedly tried to present facts to you and you always stick with your narrow world view using nothing to back them up. At least when I’m on an opposing side and the other side lists facts, I don’t deny them and I say I will research it further. Knowledge is power girl.
Post # 47
italianbride0508 : North Carolina literally proved that they can’t “handle their bathrooms.”
Post # 48
echomomm : They tried this argument when IDEA went into affect. Basically trying to make the case that schools weren’t able to afford educating children with disabilities because it was too pricey. Guess how that argument worked out for school districts?
And all you’ve really done with your argument is highlight just how terribly schools are funded in the first place. If local, state, and federal government weren’t so busy slashing taxes on the rich, handing out oil subsidies like candy and making taxpayers pay for new sports stadiums, I bet schools would have the money ready to make those changes without one tax increase on the lower 99% of the population.
Post # 49
llevinso : “Not once have I seen another woman’s vagina”
Post # 50
- Wedding: August 2017 - Sea Cider
– it’s not a “presidential” issue, it’s a federal one.
– it’s a federal issue BECAUSE a state decided to allow for discrimination.
– if an individual doesn’t care who uses which bathroom, then in theory, they should be against bathroom discrimination, rather than okay with allowing districts/cities/counties/states to discriminate at-will.
What is being demanded here is that people go against who they are.
Sure, it’s “just” a bathroom. Sure, it might “only” be three restaurants in a city, and Target might still be safe, but I’m not entirely sure you understand how it feels to be told that you’re not allowed to go somewhere (in this case, the bathroom of your gender rather than your birth sex) because of something that you can’t change about yourself.
And it’s unfair to say that someone can just go somewhere else (whether that’s a different restaurant with other restroom rules, a different school district, or a different city) . Where? Trans people tend to be one of the most demographically impoverished populations – hormones, surgery, and legal paperwork COST, and it’s very difficult to get a good job during transition. Moving to another city is expensive, and cities that are liberal enough to be accepting have higher cost of living. And a trans child might be bound to a public school district, with parents unable to move.
Would you be okay with this?:
I hope you do understand.
Post # 51
Katie-Didnt : Amen to that. I firmly believe that public schools need to be funded better and more reliably than with property taxes. I agree with you completely. And, yes, I realize that public schools must accommodate ALL students, regardless of the situation. But talking about what should be and what is are two completely different matters. I work in a district that would be unable to accommodate a trans student without singling that student out with a separate, private room, not even next to the main locker rooms. Our budgets have been slashed and we can barely afford the basics we need in the classrooms, let alone remodeling locker rooms. Believe me, I wish that we weren’t subsidizing the rich and cutting their taxes while allowing public school buildings to literally fall apart because they cannot get the funding approved to adequately fix them. But if wishes were horses…
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Post # 53
echomomm : so.. it’s been a while since I was in high school, but, do students actually use the locker room showers? When I was in school and also when I was teaching high school I never ever saw anyone use the showers in the locker room. I always thought they were leftovers from the 60s or something.
ETA – my above question is slightly off topic here, but I am very curious to know the answer. As to the OT (original topic) I also don’t care, but in my case that means I will do anything in my power to fight for people to do whatever they want so that they don’t have to ‘care’ either. I have the luxury of using whatever bathroom I want because I am a white woman who can giggle and say ‘oops’ and get away with it, and I think everyone should be afforded that right.
Post # 54
llevinso : 100% agree. I will never understand why this is such an issue. Trans people are there to go to the bathroom, just like everyone else. What’s the big deal? You’re in separate stalls, it’s not like you have to watch them pee, and they have no interest in watching you pee either. People are ridiculous.
Post # 55
jackiebee : Unfortunately, yes. In fifth grade the phy ed teacher in our building is required to teach hygeine. Students are required to bring a change of clothes to school to wear for gym, along with a towel, soap, comb/brush, deodorant, etc. And yes, they are required to shower. Once they get into high school, I know many of them skip it, but they still have huge locker rooms with two separate sides (one for the opposing team when team sports are held) and showers on each side. Students can have their gym grades lowered by not showering.
Even without the shower issue, changing clothes can still be an issue, and most schools require that. By separating just one student, it again draws attention to that student and the whispers begin. I’m not claiming to have an answer, but because I work in a school, I do know it can potentially be an issue for all but the newest construction buildings with the highest funding.
Post # 56
italianbride0508 : Straight question: do you agree that North Carolina has the right to create a law that dictates that people MUST use the restroom in a government building corresponding to the sex listed on their birth certificate?
ETA: I’m looking for a straight yes or no answer. No “well…” or “maybe.” Yes or no. You can elaborate on why, but I don’t want a round about confusing answer.
Post # 57
llevinso : No confusion, perhaps I did not make my point as clear as it could have been. No coffee yet. I meant that having a co-ed bathroom is a bigger issue than an option for the transgender community. It has not been a big deal for years, they have simply used a private stall (one would assume since none of us really seem to have any experience with it) to do private business. Others use the “OMG! The penises, the penises, all of the penises and the innocent childdren” excuse when it really doesn’t apply. It is a moot arguement as you originally stated. I agreed with you and offered a broader view to the issue. I am glad many other posters addressed the political viewpoint as my half asleep brain simply was not awake enough.
Post # 58
This is pretty much my thoughts on this subject ^^^
And like I’ve been saying: all the same people against this issue are always on the wrong side of history.
I’d actually like to hear from a 45 supporter and see if this is something they also stand behind.
Post # 59
MrsMeowton : indeed, it’s a pattern I see here. Whenever there is a debate in which one side is oppressed, the Trumpettes go the opposite. I haven’t seen one instance where they sided with oppressed people (unborn fetuses don’t count). It really shows their character.
Post # 60
“Won’t someone please THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!!!!!” is the unofficial battle cry of those who seek to limit the rights and freedom of those they disagree with. It’s not about protecting anyone though- it never is. In the context of discrimination, oppression and segregation, “the Children” is just another name to drop (I suppose they’re giving God’s exhausted name a short break), because nobody ever wants to be held morally accounable for their discriminatory actions. It’s just far easier from a distorted moral perspective to do whatever the hell they want when they claim to do so for a just cause, because when they’re just a frightened parent standing up for their children, or a pious sinner wielding the good word like a blade to the throats of those who won’t comply, they’re not really an asshole, right? Just passionate but misled individuals sprinting full-speed in the wrong direction. They’re just soldiers, stifling an eagerness to fight in someone else’s war.