NWR: Trans bathroom rights

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Post # 106
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Buzzing bee

anatheanalyst :  Yeah- it’s not the government’s job to provide healthcare, or pay women for maternity leave. Choosing to have a baby is a choice– one that is not the government’s job to fund. A baby costs money. If you can’t afford it, you shouldn’t have one. It’s not a right to have a baby (and have someone else- aka the govt) pay you to do so.  That is not saying that I think only rich people should have babies. I think people who can afford to, and want to have babies, should have babies. If you are lower income, you can still save money, find a job with maternity benefits, work an off-schedule to allow more time at home, have family members help out, etc. There are lots of ways to afford babies that don’t include making the government pay for a choice you decided to make. 100% agree that it’s not the government’s job to pay for your maternity leave, so you can stay home and take care of your kids. You can quote my old posts all you want- I still agree with them.

Are you saying that having babies is now a civil rights issue? Do you think that everything you deem as ‘unfair’ or ‘hard’ is now a civil rights issue, and the government needs to get involved and level the playing field for everyone?

 

Post # 108
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: September 2017

italianbride0508 :  No that is not what I am saying do you know how to read..

Arguing with you is infruiting because you have such backwords thinking it pains me so I am going to stop even trying to have a discussing with you. 

Post # 109
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: June 2017

italianbride0508 :  OK, but once again, there are people fighting for that exact right (to use the bathroom they think is appropriate) BECAUSE there are states (specifically North Carolina) that started making laws restricting bathroom access to what’s listed on your birth certificate.

I asked a question to you on page 4 (and yes, I used “@”).

Do you think North Carolina has the right to create a law that dictates that people MUST use the restroom in a government building that corresponds to the sex listed on their birth certificate?

Yes or no.

Post # 110
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Bumble bee

italianbride0508 :  

I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said and the way you said it. 

Your last comment and the response after are priceless…and typical in most arguments with liberals – they don’t have an answer, so they resort to personal insults and name calling…LOL

Post # 111
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Buzzing bee

anatheanalyst :  No, I don’t know how to read. I just magically read and responded to your post? Good convo. Happy to have had it.

Post # 112
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: September 2017

italianbride0508 :  Hey maybe one day life will shit on you and you will be one of these people thankful for government support.. wouldn’t that be something.. 

Post # 114
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Bumble bee

anatheanalyst :  

The purpose of government support is to help people that found themselves on hard times get back on their feet. It is not meant to help people CREATE situations they may or may not be able to afford down the road.

Post # 115
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Buzzing bee

Apple_Blossom :  yes. States have the rights to pass laws. If people don’t like those laws, they can work within their states (or school districts, etc) to have them repealed, reworked, etc. I thought it was a fed overreach of obama to get involved, and similarly, I think it’s an overreach of Trump to get involved. I don’t think its a civil rights issue, I think that states, school districts and local communities can determine and decide these things based on what makes sense for them.

I don’t agree with obamas policy, but I think its dumb for the trump admin to be getting involved. There are bigger issues to worry about, and i dont know why bathrooms is a focus right now.

Post # 116
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Newbee

NDTieTheKnot :   ct2015 :   italianbride0508 :  I’m late to the party ladies but could a reasonable solution/position simply be that if you “present” as male, you use the men’s room, and if you “present” as female you use the women’s room? 

Here is an image of a trans man, born female, who used the women’s room per the “use the room that matches your genitalia” principle. I think we can all agree that there would be no issue with him walking into a men’s room. Thoughts?

 

Post # 117
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Buzzing bee

anatheanalyst :  Right, and when situations like those do occur, there are government programs to get people back on their feet. They’re short term programs for unexpected emergencies. 

That is not the same as deciding to have a baby, being unable to afford to stop working and being upset that the government won’t give you money. Why is it the government’s job to pay for your maternity leave? You haven’t answered that question, other than saying it’s one of the biggest joys of life and calling me names.

Post # 118
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Buzzing bee

ladyjd :  Yes. Agree. Which is why I have said numerous times that people should use common sense when picking which restroom to use. I don’t think we need federal mandates dictating who uses what bathroom.

IF certain states want to pass laws on their bathroom policies (I personally think it’s dumb) but that’s their right. If people don’t like it, they can work within their local communities, state, schools etc to find something that works. 

Post # 119
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Bumble bee

ladyjd :  

Yes, I agree with what Italianbride said (again). 

 

Post # 120
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Bumble bee

italianbride0508 :  Or the people who are affected by the law sue and then the state in question who passes said stupid disciminatory law wastes millions of taxpayer money on defending a law they knew wouldn’t hold up in court anyway. But yes, tell me again how fiscal responsibility is important to the conservative movement and that civil rights are silly?

These trans-bathroom laws are already getting struck down in federal courts– all the Obama administration did was offer guidelines for schools who were unsure how to handle trans-students needs because they ASKED. That’s hardly overreach.

But a state telling someone where they can and can’t take a shit based on what genitals they were born with and playing “potty police”? Yeah. That’s overreach.

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