Oval ring, bow-tie effect

posted 2 years ago in Rings
Post # 2
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Sugar Beekeeper
  • Wedding: May 2009

Things may have changed over the years in terms of how diamonds are cut, but many years ago a jeweler explained to me that pear, marquis, and oval cut diamonds always have some sort of a bow-tie effect.

Post # 3
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: September 2018 - Pantagis Renaissance

Picture?

Also, CONGRATS!!!!!! That’s so exciting 🙂

Post # 4
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: March 2017

Brielle :  this. It’s very normal on certain shapes & they use to say it was a sign of a proper cut.

Odds are its only obvious to you and in certain lighting.

Post # 5
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: June 2017

luckyisme :  any elongated cut will have a bow tie, it’s really a matter of how apparent it is, and how you feel about it. A “desirable” elongated cut won’t have a noticeable/barely noticeable bowtiw when viewed directly from the top. You’ll always find some sort of darkening when you move a stone around and light bounces around it and exits at different angles. The real question is: do you like it? That’s all that matters. 

Post # 6
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: May 2014 - victoria educational gardens

Fancy cut (marquise, pear, oval) have the bow tie effect. Some are more noticeable that others. It’s normal. Mine doesn’t botther me at all. I don’t notice it in real life at all, but in pictures I can see it WAY more…A bow tie might be hard to judge by pics/videos. If it’s really bothering you, contact customer service at James Allen. I’m sure a CS can help you find a oval with minimum bow tie…

Post # 7
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: April 29th, 2016

luckyisme :  Congratulations! I love elongated shapes like ovals. I have a marquise that has a slight bow-tie but it doesn’t bother me. I don’t notice it unless I’m looking for it. 

Post # 8
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: July 2009

It is a very rare elongate oval or marquise that will lack a bowtie. Why? The bowtie is a function of the faceting such that your head (or camera or some other dark object) is blocking the light. The dark areas in blocked light and the not dark areas are really areas that ‘over expose’ our eyes (contract the pupil), so you see less of the light in the dark area. Ain’t science cool? Most well-cut ovals have some bowtie. Ovals also suffer more from being dirty that rounds. But, all that does not matter if you don’t like it. I would post a budget for a center stone and your timeline (to make sure you don’t miss the 30-day return) on Pricescope RockTalky and see what alternatives they can find. Compare what you have to the stones they recommend and see if you still prefer yours. 

I would post a budget for a center stone and your timeline (to make sure you don’t miss the 30-day return on JA) on Pricescope RockTalky and see their eval of your diamond and, if not well liked, what alternatives they can find. Compare what you have to the stones they recommend and see if you still prefer yours. 

Post # 9
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Bumble bee

luckyisme :  Like the other Bees said, bow ties are not avoidable in elongated shapes like ovals, pears and marquises.  When I was engaged previously I had an oval and when we had looked at diamonds, I noticed the bow tie was more prominant in the bigger sizes.  My diamond was slightly over 1 carat but I could still see it if I moved my finger a certain way.  If JA said that the bow tie would not be noticable at all, I think that was poor on their part.  You’re never not going to see a bow tie ever.

If it bothers you so much then I think you need to stick with more symmetrical shapes.

Post # 10
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Worker bee
  • Wedding: September 1996

luckyisme :  Congratulations on your engagement 😊!If it can helps ,I have a pear cluster cocktail ring and you can see “the bow tie” effect every where.I agree with other bees,and on elongated cuts this effect is normal.

Post # 12
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Worker bee
  • Wedding: September 2018

Hi bee! This post is close to my heart because I did A TON of research on bow ties before I decided I wanted an oval! Disclaimer: this will be long.

Some ovals will have more prominent bow ties than others – it all depends on the cut of the stone. The better the cut, the less noticeable the bow tie. The other bees are right, you can’t 100% avoid having one, but the cut of the stone is truly what makes the difference!

SO! What determines the cut is a combination of polish and symmetry. You can see the polish/symmetry of your stone listed on James Allen, and also on your GIA cert, or you can look it up on the GIA website by searching your stone’s serial number (not sure about where to find it on the other types of diamond certs).

 This is taken word-for-word from GIA (not trying to plagiarize lol!):

 ” – To qualify for an excellent cut grade, both polish and symmetry must be very good or excellent.
 
– To qualify for a very good cut grade, both polish and symmetry must be at least good.

– To qualify for a good cut grade, both polish and symmetry must be at least fair.

– To qualify for a fair cut grade, both polish and symmetry must be at least fair.

– A poor cut grade is assigned when either polish or symmetry is poor.”

So, the higher quality the cut grade, the less you will see a bow tie!
 
Below is a pic of mine, which is also from JA! My oval doesn’t have a noticeable bow tie at all. I can sometimes see a shadow, but only if I’m specifically looking for it. For reference, the cut is “excellent” (aka little or no bow tie). I hope this helps and wasn’t too boring! Finally I’m able to share all this research with someone else LOL!

Ultimately, remember that ONLY you will notice the bow tie in your diamond. The Bee is full of ladies that, like you and me, pay wayyyy more attention to diamonds than people in the real world do. So don’t worry about if people in your real life will notice it. They won’t. Only worry about if it bothers you enough to switch your stone! Good luck and let us know what you decide!!

PS – post a pic of your ring?! I would love to see another bee with an oval from JA!! ❤️

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