(Closed) People want to save a dog that killed a child? what are your thoughts?…

posted 10 years ago in Pets
Post # 257
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: September 2010

Never mind. Not worth it.

Post # 258
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: May 2013

SoupyCat i know I’m one of those people who also got opinions and that’s why i’m letting everything out.

Post # 260
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: August 2012

I see both sides here.  This seems like a really isolated incident for this dog, so rehoming him there may never be another problem.  But as a parent, I know I’d want the dog dead, my own dog or someone elses.  Kill my child and I don’t think rational thought would matter one bit.  I love my dog, but in this instance, I think I’d feel exactly the same way.

On reading the stories, I personally do not think this dog “deserves” to die because of the situation.  But I fully understand why the family wants it done, and honestly, I think their wishes should be respected in this case. 

Dogs, any dog, large or small, has the capability to injure or kill instictually, and anyone who thinks their precious would never do it is naive.  We can domesticate, but we will never own nor fully control instincts.  In this case, such a huge dog would have devastating results no matter where he bit the child.  There are so many things in here that scream instinct over an intentional aggression or attack.  Firstly, the stimulation of the childs birthday.  Dogs get tired and out of sorts; noise, commotion, stimulus of all sorts, people in and out of the house.  The dog is mentally fatigued after protecting and monitoring his home all day.  Who knows how many kids were there or people, calling at him, petting him, moving him around the house, touching, pulling, pushing etc.  He was likely overstimulated and tired, wary.  Secondly, the interview made like he was the grandmothers dog first; the boys were not there when she had cancer and the dog was her rock…that means a lot to a dog, he’s bonded to HER, he was grandmas dog first.  Kid gets up, grabs at dog who is not in his normal happy calm state after birthday day, and here comes grandma.  Dog instinctually is protective of grandma, his caregiver and his loyalty and perceives the child is a threat, not a “child”.  Then the kid grabs the dog, small or not, pain is pain to an animal no matter who or what inflicts it.  The fact he shook the baby leads me to believe this was entirely an instinct reaction, not a vicious attack.  He wouldn’t have been so calm and normal afterwards if he was in attack mode, they usually remain very “on” and agitated (coming from someone who has been attacked 3 times in my life, once by a chocolate lab that would never hurt anyone).  This whole situation just reeks of shitty timing all around, poor parenting choices that resulted in the one thing every parent fears…preventable death.  While I do feel that blame lies more with the parents than the dog, I do not think they deserve jail time or charges.  It’s just a really, really tragic course of events with the most unhappy ending ever.

In my opinion, anyone with a large breed dog (or even mid size dog) should know better than to ever leave their dog alone for even a second with a small child.  Are large dogs more vicious?  I truly don’t beleive so, but they are sure far more capable of infliciting injury than your average yappy lap dog if an accident happens! 

Post # 261
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Bee Keeper
  • Wedding: July 2010

My question is this:

Should the parents face charges?

Post # 262
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: October 2011

I dont give a shit if the dog didn’t purposefully know it was a baby or not, ( although I beg to differ, my dog is SO gentle with our son, most gentle with him than any other person, toy, or thing on this planet) I probably would have killed that dog immedietly after it killing my child. I don’t think I would have even hesitated for a milisecond.

Post # 263
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Bumble Beekeeper
  • Wedding: September 2012

@cbee:  I think the parents have suffered enough by losing their child.  I hope they don’t face charges.  It was a horrible, tragic accident. 

Post # 264
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Bumble Beekeeper
  • Wedding: September 2012

@Cash000:  I agree.  I can’t imagine how they were restrained enough to not kill it that moment.  We would have. 

Post # 265
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Bee Keeper
  • Wedding: July 2010

@Sunfire:  Well, if it is not the dog’s fault, if it is only following its nature, then the parents are at fault for leaving their child on the floor alone with the sleeping dog. 

Post # 267
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Bumble Beekeeper
  • Wedding: September 2012

@cbee:  It was an accident.  Every parent has made a mistake, but not every parent has to suffer such horrific consequences for their mistake. 

They won’t face charges.

If they did, then every parent who ever looks away from their child, even for a moment – in the kitchen with a pot boiling on the stove, in a parking lot, on a playground, in a mall, even in the same room with a fireplace, for example – could be subject to the same charges. 

Accidents happen under all of these circumstances, and children are severely injured or even die, and the parents are not charged.

Post # 268
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: September 2012

@Nellop:  this

people don’t get killed for killing animals.  

 

people chose to domesticate animals, and have them as pets, then as soon as the animal does something that’s “in it’s nature”(no matter how trained they are), they want it killed.  

I think humans are cruel.  

Post # 269
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: August 2012

@Sunfire:  Actually, as lot of parents in your scenarios DO face charges, of neglect.  And even if they are not criminally charged, they often are watched very closely by child protection services and monitored to make sure that the kids are not abused or neglected, and some are removed from the homes until the parents are proven competent.  At least here that’s not uncommon.

I don’t disagree though, accidents DO just happen, even with the most diligent parenting.  Which is waht this instance seems to be, as unfortuante as it is.  I do not beleive it was teh dog’s fault, but I don’t begrudge the parents their desire to see him put down.  But I also don’t think this is a dog that would become dangerous to society or necessarily “attack” again.  This situation is so isolted and so many factors played in.  Anyone who owns a large breed dog has to understand this type of thing happens because of the size and strength of the animal involved.  You HAVE to be so diligent and concious of the animal becasue there will be no next time with a child.

Post # 270
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Busy Beekeeper

I’m going to copy and paste from the articles I previously posted that addressed the legal side of this since it seems no one read them (should parents face charges when horrible acidents like this take place?)

The thing is, no one defends these cases by claiming there was no negligence. The parents all admit to dreadful negligence.

The key legal point tends to come down to this: Did the parent act negligently with “callous disregard for human life?” That is where these prosecutions tend to fail. “Should have known” is not enough, legally.

“…We want to believe that the world is understandable and controllable and unthreatening, that if we follow the rules, we’ll be okay. So, when this kind of thing happens to other people, we need to put them in a different category from us. We don’t want to resemble them, and the fact that we might is too terrifying to deal with. So, they have to be monsters.”

Post # 271
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: May 2009

@Take The Reins:  In my opinion, anyone with a large breed dog (or even mid size dog) should know better than to ever leave their dog alone for even a second with a small child.  Are large dogs more vicious?  I truly don’t beleive so, but they are sure far more capable of infliciting injury than your average yappy lap dog if an accident happens! 

Agree with everything you said, except this.  Anyone with a PET (except perhaps fish and small, caged animals) should know better than to ever leave that pet alone for even a second with a small child.  Small dogs’ bites may do less damage, but they can still scar a child for life, or cause the loss of an eye if the bite connects in the right spot.  Plus, a small dog is more easily injured by a child, and therefore possibly more of a bite risk.  Cat bites and scratches can not only cause injury, but have a high risk of getting infected, and those infections can become severe very quickly.

Millions of people live with millions of pets without incident their entire life.  It’s tradgedies like this that remind us no matter how much we love and trust our animals, (and how much some of us believe they love us back), we can never forget that they are animals and sometimes intinct takes over.  I believe the most dangerous thing about my dog is his tail, and he is well-trained and tolerant.  But I still cannot imagine leaving him alone with my child when that time comes.

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