Post # 1
We recently went to a bridal show and I found another photographer I like a lot of what I saw at the show (several poster boards and a couple books, couldn’t look at a bunch) and we are scheduled to meet w/him. However, I requested from this photographer that we are starting to look at more to see some of his work online to view other weddings, and I got the following response back…
By the way, the websites are exclusive to each wedding for privacy. We usually are able to share a selection on my site or on the blog, but I don’t necessarily use wedding gallery websites for marketing.
Should I still consider him or move on?? He has a lot that we are looking for in price and ALL day coverage and engagement session, etc, but have to pay more for a second photographer. I just don’t know if I want to go with one that will not share his work to view, yet at the same time I understand the privacy part…just not the marketing aspect. It’s important for me to view the photos more so I can get a full idea into a photographer’s work. Plus what is ultra fine jpeg format??
Post # 3
@yearns4god: That is odd. Every photographer I’ve asked to see a “full wedding” from has happily obliged. Some have to check with the couple first (which I understand) but they have all been willing to give me the password to their full wedding galleries so I can see a “typical finished product”.
Not being allowed to see a full wedding would be a deal breaker for me. I’d need to see how many shots the photog puts up for a wedding. The ratio of posed to candid. Whether the “important’ shots were there (i.e. the kiss, groom seeing the bride come down the aisle, bride coming down the aisle, first dance, etc).
Post # 4
He wrote back again and stated the following:
The photos are hi-resolution (big files) as well as ultra fine JPeg’s. Sorry about the websites, they are designed for my clients securely, so their privacy is honored. I simply don’t share them.
Guess…WE might just have to keep looking…Drats!
Post # 5
ask for refernces and then you can ask the people themselves if you could view their album.
Post # 6
His Loss – i wouldnt want to book a photog without seeing some of their work, and not just bits and pieces that he chooses to show off. those might be the only good pics!
keep looking, you have time.
Also -just a side note, i was talking with my boss yesterday and he said try and find a photog that will give you copyrights to the pics – he said he didnt get them and if he ever wants a copy or new pictures he has to buy them from him. he said he has one in a fram at home that has faded over the years and now he has to track down this guy and buy another one. im not sure if all photog do that? i’m using a friend so my photog experience has been a little different.
Post # 7
Yeah the photographer has copyright. They may not want to give links or images out, but shouldn’t have an issue showing them to you during a consultation.
Post # 8
@yearns4god: That response would be a HUGE red flag for me.
I would e-mail back and just say, “Sorry, but I am not comfortable proceeding any further without being able to see a sample finished product (i.e. complete wedding website). Sorry we couldn’t do business.”
Post # 9
What about a few sample ablums? That should give you an idea
Post # 10
it might be that he’s willing to share a full album in person, he just doesn’t want to share via the website so that you don’t forward the password to everyone. it kind of makes sense. ask him if he would show you a full wedding while you meet with him.
Post # 11
User makes a good point, did you ask if you could simply click through one during the in-person consultation? I don’t think that’s asking too much. However, you would think in all the time he’s been doing wedding he wouldn’t have found at least one bride willing to allow him to use her wedding as a “sample” wedding. I have a sample wedding that I will send the link to upon request, and any other weddings I’m happy to allow the potential client to click through during a consultation. This guy just sounds too lazy or big-headed to want to accomodate you for such a simple request. I might look elsewhere.
Post # 12
if you want to see a whole wedding and won’t book without it, i agree with sending the email such as @katnyc2011 suggested. if he really wants your business, he’ll figure something out.
the reason he may have mentioned hi-res, ultra fine jpegs is that these galleries may be downloadable at the largest size possible. he may have see it as a security risk for him to hand out his clients password-protected images, but as PP suggested, maybe rather you look at a wedding with himself there to make sure nothing is downloaded. kinda wild, but if he’s serious about protecting his clients and his images, this may be an option.
also, @totheislnds suggestion about getting “copyright” is not quite right: the photographer retains copyright of the images, but you’ll want to get printing rights so you can make prints without having to go through your photographer. I think it’s worth the extra cost if there is an extra cost for having the rights (some photographers charge extra $ for it and some do not).
Post # 13
I know its been said here already, but that is one reason why photographers have model releases. That makes them legally covered to display any/all photos they chose to. Why would a client book a photographer that they can’t see pics from? Same as why would a photographer photograph weddings & then have nothing to display from it? Unless they’re a newbie & didn’t know, they should have those releases.
Perhaps they don’t have an entire wedding online for you to see (I don’t have an entire wedding online but I have offered to show in person). They should be able to show you in person. If they’re not willing to show you an entire wedding, it sounds like they’re trying to cover up the rest of their work. Almost anyone can take a few great shots at a wedding, but the rest of their photos may be awful, or just ok, or high quality… so that’s why looking thru an entire wedding is smart when choosing a photog.
Post # 14
I agree, I emailed LOTS of photographers requesting a WHOLE wedding and none of them had a problem with it. You could offer to look when you meet him, as well.
I wouldn’t be satisfied with albums. Anyone who takes 2000+ shots over the course of the day should be able to pull out 80 good pictures to put in an album, even me.
Like some of the other bees said, most photography contracts also include a “model release” allowing the photographer to use/show their images for marketing purposes. (It’s easy to opt out.) I certainly understand privacy concerns, but I have a hard time that an experienced wedding photographer doesn’t even have ONE couple that was so thrilled with their pictures that they want him to be able to show EVERYONE. (Plus, if he’s already showing albums, he’s already using their images…)
Post # 15
Oh no, this photographer has TONS of weddings to view. I saw some of the wedding books at the bridal show this weekend. I will respond back and see if we can view a wedding via during the consult. If not then I will move on in the DC area there are PLENTY of other photographers and some whom have already shared theirs w/me.
I just really like the deals and the pictures from what I did see. Also, thanks for the info, but I already know to ask them for the rights. But sounds like with this guy I definitly would have to make sure that I would get full rights.
Thanks all I’ll let you know how it goes.