(Closed) Photographers

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Post # 3
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: October 2013

@cbmikk:  Where are you located? Can’t suggest anyone without knowing where you are! 🙂

Post # 6
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Newbee

Not a recommendation per se but look for the following:
Make sure your photographer is a PPA Member. (Professional Photographers of America).
PPA Members are REQUIRED to carry the indemnification insurance (read malpractice) insurance  if they photograph weddings. 
Not only does that cover them, and you, in the event the photogrpaher no shows or simply flubs the images, the insurance also covers their equipment and hard drives or image storage devices. 

I’d also ask if they are CPP’s, or Certified Professional Photographers. Not a deal breaker, but gives you that little extra measur of comfort that your dealing with someone who’s been tested by a third party on his knowledge of the craft in general.

Good luck! 

Post # 7
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: May 2006

@CertifiedPhotographer:  I agree that anyone you hire should be insured. Being a member of the PPA is just one of many yearly membership dues that not everyone needs or wants to pay. But really, how many amazing wedding photographers have bothered to go to that CPP website to take that test?

Post # 8
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Newbee

@continuumphotography
Membership in PPA is only $30 a month and INCLUDES $25,000 indemnification insurance that covers weddings or any other paid job Pros are on, AND $15,000 worth of equipment insurance that covers breakage, theft or fire. 
If your getting that much coverage for less than $30 a month, please tell me where. 

As for Certifieds, most of the pros I know are Certified.
Certification is level of proficiency that shows illustrates one’s ability to not only one’s ability to create world class imagery, but knows the science behind it. 
After all, everyone is a photographer. Certification can be peace of mind for a couple spending thousands of dollars on wedding photography. 
But like Monte Zucker once told me…”THe only people that feel education isn’t important are the ones that don’t have it”.

Not looking down on anyone who chooses not to pursue certification or any other photographic education. 
The way I see it, just buying business cards isn’t enough for me. After 4 photography degrees, I still attend every photographic educational opportunity I can, as well as teach and instruct other photographers myself. 
If someone is going to entrust their wedding to me, the least I can do is be as educated and experienced as I can be. 
But that’s just me.  

Post # 9
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: May 2006

@CertifiedPhotographer:  I’m a member of PPA, I know how much it costs and what the insurance covers.  It’s not enough for my business.  I’ve been doing this since 2006 and I know a lot of wedding photographers, full time wedding photographers and to my knowledge none of them have gone to that particular website to get “certified.”  Your implication that I or others who don’t have this certification aren’t educated or don’t care about education is off base and a little insulting.  To me what you’re saying is like telling brides that they need to hire photographers off of WPJA because that’s how you find the true photojournalists.

Post # 10
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Newbee

PPA Membership does not require you to be Certified. I did not state or imply otherwise. They are two completely different things. 

I also did not state or imply that Non-Certifieds are not educated.
What I did say was: “Certification is level of proficiency that shows illustrates one’s ability to not only create world class imagery, but know the science behind it.”
You very well may know these things already. 
Certification process merely proves one’s proficiency. That’s all. 

Like I said earlier…FOR ME…I feel like I owe it to clients who entrust me with their wedding day to be as educated and experieced as possible. That’s just me. That doesn’t mean or imply that others can’t produce solide wedding work. 

I’m also a Master Photographer. I didn’t work toward becoming a Master to impress or book clients. I did it to prove to myself I could do it.
It took 7 years of hard work, lots of late nights, but again, that’s just me. I’ve just begun the Master Artist level degree. It’ll probably take another 5-7 years, but I do this because I want to be the absolute best I can be. Most do not share in my thought process and that’s ok. 

Back to my original recommendation:
I’d tell the bride to watch for the PPA Logo. That photographer will be insured against liability with regard to indemnification, which also includes coverage for hard drives or computer crashes. 
I’d also look for a Certified Professional Photographer. As clearly stated above, …that was not a deal breaker. 

I do not look down on those who feel education isn’t as important as I feel it is. 
To each his own. 
As my Dad used to say “If your going to do something, put everything you’ve got into it”. Thats just me.

 

 

Post # 11
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: May 2006

@CertifiedPhotographer:  I never said PPA membership requires you to be certified in anything.  It requires you to pay an annual due, nothing more.  Sorry, I am not in agreement that any sort of technical certification makes you a better artist.  Any bride or groom hiring a wedding photographer should be looking at their work, not whatever master certification they claim to have.  I never said education wasn’t important, I simply do not feel this particular website certification you are so in favor of is anywhere near as widespread as your implying.  To me it seems like you’re trolling for business since you’ve titled yourself “CertifiedPhotographer” and you are pushing the importance of this certification.

To the OP – if you don’t have a source for referral (i.e. a friend or family member who was recently married whose photos you like), I’d try searching for wedding photographers in the nearest metro area to where you are getting married. Alternatively depending on your budget, you might look at inspiration blogs and see what photographer speaks to your vision.  Wedding photographers in general love to travel, and if you see work you like it may be worthwhile to contact that photographer.  It is absolutely valid that any professional you hire be properly insured, but taking a test on a website just means someone has taken the time to take a test.  It doesn’t necessarily mean they are more qualified to be a wedding photographer, or that their images will have more emotional impact, or even be more technically perfect.  Photography is both science and art.

Post # 12
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Busy bee

@CertifiedPhotographer I’m going to have to disagree with you a bit. We actually ended up dropping our PPA membership because ONE we were able to find better insurance for close to the same rate, and already have a lawyer in the family who takes care of anything they would. The price didn’t justify the cost. Same with getting certified. I just feel the money is better spend putting it back into my business. I graduated top of my class from one of the best photography schools in the world. I both attend and teach workshops regularly. So paying for bragging rights to those things doesn’t make me a better photographer, making better images and taking care of my clients and business does.

That said, I think brides need to be aware that ANYONE can buy a camera, set up a website and get cards so it’s so important to do your homework and find out what qualifications your photographer has.

Post # 13
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Blushing bee
  • Wedding: July 2014

@CertifiedPhotographer:  Really? Cause it sounds a lot like you’re just in here to establish your own ” credentials” and drum up some business. I mean, that’s just me. As Zach Arias once said to me ” chill out dude”. 

Post # 14
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: February 2014

PPA is worthless more or less. Im not part of the PPA. Dont even wory about a PPA membership as ANY photographer good or bad can buy a membership… You buy it not earn it.

 

However, if they do belong, they have some insurance.

 

Post # 15
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Newbee

Seems I’ve been misquoted again.
I’ve stated repeatedly that finding a Certified Photographer isn’t a deal breaker.
Certification is simply a 
I also said my opinions are “just me”. 

continuumphotography, you are mistaken. The CPP test is not a “test on a website”. 
The process can take up to two years based on the proficiency of the candidate. 
Even then some candidates do not pass it in two years. 
Consists of two parts, written examination in person and an image review of 12 peices of work. Proctors and judges are all Master Photographers as well as Certified Print Judges. 
Tests are given in Atlanta and Dallas with most states having a team of liasons who can proctor a test at a regional or state event. 

 

Post # 16
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Newbee

PizzutiStudios, any problem you should incur with client is handled by the family attorney. What do you recommend for photographers without a photographer in the family? 
I’m still of the opinion that $25,000 worth of malpractice or indemnification insurace and $15,000 worth of equipment insurance can’t be purchased for less than $30 a month. 
But I am very interested if you know of a way. 

 

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