(Closed) Pomeranian vs. Shih Tzu

posted 10 years ago in Pets
  • poll: Which breed do you prefer or recommend for me?

    Pomeranian

    Shih Tzu

    Other, I'll state below

  • Post # 47
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    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: October 2011

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    @moderndaisy:

    Aww, then you should get one! lol, they have great temperments.

    Post # 48
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    Bumble Beekeeper
    • Wedding: September 2011

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    @Cash000: I’m sure abbyful can answer much better than me but the basics are as follows:

    The main goal or a responsible breeder is to improve the breed.

    Responsible breeders heath test their dogs (genetic, orthopedic, etc) and know the health scores of their dog’s like back at least 3 if not 5 or more generations.

    Responsible breeders show their dogs to ensure their dogs truly are exemplary specimens of the breed.

    Responsible breeders do not breed to make money. They breed only when the find a desirable pairing for one of their dogs who has finished it’s championship in shows and been fully health tested.

    Responsible breeders rarely breed the same pairing more than once, and breed very infrequently.

    Every pairing is looking to improve the breed (remove undesirable health/temperament traits) and conform to the existing breed standard.

    Reputable breeders will require you spay/neuter your puppy OR maintain partial ownership and breeding rights to an intact dog to ensure the lines are properly maintained.

    Reputable breeders will usually require (in contract form) that if ever for ANY reason you can no longer keep the dog, the dog MUST be returned to the breeder and not rehomed or sold to any third party.

    “hybrid” or “designer” dogs do not have a breed standard as they are not an AKC recognized breed.

    Cross breeding dogs yields completely unpredictable results.

    Breeders of “designer” or “hybrid” usually do not health test their lines, they tend to breed often, and to breed for money.

    Shelters are FULL of both pure bred and mixed breeds from irreputable breeders, oops litters, and pet store puppies. There really is no reason to breed a cross breed, we do not have a dog shortage in america.

    Reputable breeders are also often HUGE proponents of rescue and shelter organizations and many do foster work with their breed specific rescue.

    Post # 49
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    Bee Keeper
    • Wedding: June 2011

    I thought mixs were kinda the “in thing” right now? Anyways, Its out of pure curiosity, why is a mixed breed= irresponsible breeder? Couldn’t there be very responsible breeders out there, just mixing 2 different breeds, because they genuinely like the outcome?

    KatNYC2011 did a really good job of summing up why reputable breeders don’t mix breeds.

    I cannot stress enough the “unpredictable results”. Even puppies from the same litter can look completely different.

    There are hundreds of breeds of dogs, there is zero reason to purposely make mutts; virtually any combination of traits is already available in existing dog breeds.

    A lot of mutt-breeders try to use the excuse “we’re making hypoallergenic dogs!”, not true. Just because you cross something with a poodle doesn’t mean it will have a poodle coat; it’s a toss up. Mixing breeds you can get any combination of traits between the two breeds; it may be nearly 100% “Dog A”, it may be “50-50”, it maybe be “20-80”, there’s no way to predict the outcome.

    Post # 50
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    Bumble Beekeeper
    • Wedding: September 2011

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    @abbyful: The hypo-allergenic thing really gets me too. Not all dog allergies are related to fur/shedding. There are allergies to dander (dead skin flakes) as well as saliva that are fairly common. So unless you are breeding a fur-less, skin-less, saliva-less dog many dog allergy sufferers will still have allergic reactions.

    Post # 51
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    Helper bee
    • Wedding: June 2012

    I’ve worked as a vet tech for a couple years, and although everyone has their own opinions, I say absolutely the Pomeranian, I love them!  I’m a big dog person, I have a pitbull, but one day I’d like either a pom or a miniature pinscher.  They are just so dang cute, the puppies are little teddy bears Smile

    All little dogs are notoriously difficult to potty train, they just have tinier bladders, so they can’t always hold it as long as a big dog.  The general rule is they can hold it about as long as their age (2 months old = 2 hours), but after eating/drinking they will need to go outside within 20 minutes.  Little breeds also tend to have a lot of teeth problems and are prone to gingivitis and tarter build up, so I’d recommend getting her used to brushing her teeth as a puppy, to save you having to get expensive dental cleanings until she is older, and mess with her feet alot so she is easy for nail trims, because smaller dogs don’t run around outside as much as larger dogs, their nails can get long extremely quickly.

    Everydog has their own personality, but both poms and shih-tzu’s can be verrry hyper and yippy-yappy!  I’d speak with the breeder/rescue group your looking with and ask them which puppy is the calm, more submissive one in the litter and go with that, instead of the hard-headed barker that will be more likely to potty everywhere and chew everything! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Both of those breeds require a lot of grooming, and shih-tzu’s are prone to dry eye and conjunctivitis because of their bulging eyes and their long hair-coat in the way.  On the plus, both breeds look SUPER cute with their coats shaved, ala Europomme’s dog with the lion cut!

    If your looking for a quiet, calm, smart little dog, I’d recommend looking at Papillons and King Charles Cavaliers, they are the sweetest, happiest dogs, and both very smart!!  Also, my friend has a Papillon/Pom mix and he’s AWESOME!  The adorable look of the Pom with the quiet, calm personality of the Papillon ๐Ÿ™‚ Poms and shih-tzu’s can be great, it’s all the individual dog and their personality, but they tend to be very hyper and may have a hard time at home by themselves all day – becoming destructive, whereas a King Charles or Papillon would probably just laze around, they are typically pretty calm dogs.

     

    I’ll attempt to post some pics, never have before!

    Pom pup above, Papillon pup below ๐Ÿ™‚

    And a King Charles pup!

     

    Post # 52
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    Bumble bee
    • Wedding: September 2011

    I think Cavaliers are adorable!!  They’re bigger dogs though (still toys, just larger than a Pom or Shih), I dont know if size is a factor for you.

    Also, I worry about Cavaliers because of Syringomyelia ๐Ÿ™

    Post # 53
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    Helper bee
    • Wedding: June 2012

    And if you like bulldogs, I think the French bulldogs are so cute!!  Don’t know much about them though, but I think they are pretty calm, happy dogs, and I don’t think they have all the probelms English bulldogs are prone to

    Post # 55
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    Helper bee
    • Wedding: June 2010

    I have a pomeranian and my parents had a shih-tzu once. These dogs are very different.  The shihtzu was very friendly, sweet, and calm.  My pomeranian is very energetic and strong willed.  You definitely have to work harder to train a pomeranian (especially the females which is what I have).  Still, I wouldn’t trade my baby for the world.  She is so smart, so sweet, so affectionate and so full of personality.  I’ve had her for 4 yrs now and she’s learned to shake, roll over, sit, crawl, give kissies, go to her crate.  She is so smart! Here is my beautiful baby girl posing and smiling :O)

    Post # 56
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    Busy bee
    • Wedding: March 2012

    I LOVE shih tzus. My family got one when I was 7 and we had him until I was 21. He was the sweetest, calmest, most loveable animal I’ve ever met. I didn’t think I’d ever get over his death. He was just the best dog ever. He had a little bit of a stubborn streak, but at the same time he was extremely docile and affectionate, and he loved kids. Anytime we were out on a walk or at the park, if he heard children, he’d instantly perk up and want to go play with them. It was adorable. They’re just amazing dogs. 

    Post # 57
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    Busy bee
    • Wedding: September 2010

    Neither.  Not a fan of small dogs at all.  Many get small dog syndrome and are yappy.

    But if I had to choose I would say shih tzus.  All the pom’s i’ve met have been pretty crazy.

    Post # 58
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    Bumble Beekeeper
    • Wedding: September 2011

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    @Bride_Colleen: Small Dog Syndrome is almost always the owner’s fault and results from a lack of training/discipline. It usually happens when the dog is treated more like an accessory/toy then a real animal.

    Post # 59
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    Helper bee
    • Wedding: June 2011

    My mom has three shih tzus. They are the sweetest dogs, they’re not too loud, and they play but they’ll also just hang out in the living room with you.

    That being said, they seem to be the most difficult dogs to house-train I have ever come across, and for that reason I would never own one. Beware!

    Post # 60
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    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: February 2012

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    @abbyful:

    Thank you for reminding me there are smart people in the world!  I’ve worked with animal rescue for years and it’s always a pain to have to explain why there are great breeders.

    OP, I don’t have much experience with either of the breeds but thank you for being educated and responsible!

    Post # 61
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    Blushing bee
    • Wedding: August 2010

    I have a pom, and he is the most lovey, spoiled little guy ever!  He has some anxiety issues and has to be in the kennel when we are at work (but he loves his kennel).  Overall, we are looking at getting another little pom and I would recommend them to anyone.  Ours is also REALLY good with children.  My nephew calls him his best friend! 

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