(Closed) PRO-LIFE BEES: What happens if the clinics close? Where do we go from there?

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Post # 122
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Buzzing Beekeeper

@turnanewleaf:  I was trying to be positive, like I said. And it seems people always have to be negative and bring up past irrelevant threads. I don’t get it.

Yes, it does annoy me when people make ridiculous assumptions about me and try to stir up trouble when I didn’t do anything to deserve it. 

And no, I’m not rich. I work every day, and trust me I wouldn’t if I was rich. We are comfortable because we’ve worked hard to be. Lots of people have way more. 

I get you said “kidding” but you also said “hyprocite” and I’m not. I help lots of doggy causes and help support my pregnant friend who has nothing. I do my part for those I love. 

Post # 123
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: December 2014

I have no clue why these topics are discussed so much. 

Abortion clinics will stay open and will always be available. This is not going to be overturned. Why? Because it’s no one choice but the individual as to what they do with their body. Case closed.  

What you can do to support these women is stop judging and stop discussing a choice that isn’t yours to make. 

Post # 124
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Bumble Beekeeper
  • Wedding: July 2013 - UK

Disclaimers:

– I have not read the entire thread

– I am UK based: abortion rights are not under threat here, and we have no religious right… at least… not in the same way.

– This answer is based heavily on my own experiences growing up.

My answer: if you want to prevent abortion then improve sex education, raise awareness of ALL methods of contraception (not just condoms or BCP) and provide more free and confidential services.

Once you have done that, maybe study why people who aren’t sexually active by 16 are viewed as freaks of nature, and try to change that so that people feel empowered enough to have sex later in life, for personal reasons.

Long term: improve access to education and healthcare facilities for low income families, and close the income gap, reducing wealth inequality.

Post # 125
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: October 2014

@cls9q:  this! +1000000000000

Post # 126
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Honey Beekeeper
  • Wedding: November 1999

@MrsPanda99: No, I don’t take notes. Some people just say things that are sp diametrically opposite in different threads  that one can’t help but remember the comment.

I just wondered how you would explain the hypocrisy of not wanting to fund a universal healthcare system yet wanting the taxpayers to pay for your childcare.

I got exactly the answer I expected.

And about the rest, I’m not so sure.

Post # 128
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Honey Beekeeper
  • Wedding: November 1999

@Bridey77:  I think the fact that you posed two questions in the title of your post has something to do with the responses you are getting.

Post # 130
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Bumble Beekeeper
  • Wedding: July 2013 - UK

@Bridey77:  I apologise if what I say is off topic! As I say, I have not read the other responses.

UK abortion services are not under threat as they are provided as part of the NHS. I cannot imagine  a scenario in which they would cease to exist. Moreover, a woman who requires an NHS abortion is treated under the same umbrella as women who have had miscarriages. For example, my stepsister found her foetus had no heartbeat at 13 weeks and eventually had to have a D and C. She was treated identically to women having a “natural” miscarriage and those having an abortion, in the same unit.

I think I posted before about watching the film Kidulthood, a UK film about growing up in wprking-class London. In the scene which I remember, a teenage girl is publically beaten and forced to admit that she is a virgin. This is very shameful for her, because the implication is that she is too disgusting for anyone to ever want her. She later hangs herself. This resonated so intimately with my own experiences growing up that I was really upset by it. I was a virgin until I was almost 20. I NEVER admitted it. I used to pretend I had had lots of sexual partners. I would look on Google and invent sexual experiences as my own. This is ironic: by 20, I had taken practically every drug going, run away from home, and done all sorts of crazy stuff. But sexual stuff? Nope. I just pretended.

I have been told that the US has a “cult of virginity” whereby the “impure” are shamed…. the opposite of this. Personally, I think that people should butt out of the sex lives of others. Sex shoud be a personal decision… the fact it is not is very problematic. Personal decision… full facts and disclosure… better sex ed… and more support for low income families… then you will really see abortion rates fall!

Post # 131
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Honey Beekeeper
  • Wedding: November 1999

@Bridey77: 

Just because they answered the first two questions you posed and not the last ones, doesn’t mean they didn’t read the post.  It just means that is what they chose to respond to.

Post # 132
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Blushing bee
  • Wedding: July 2014

@Bridey77:  Hey, guess what? Your question is not actually a hypothetical — it’s already a reality. More than 70 women’s health clinics have already closed in Texas over the past year thanks to  so-called “pro-life” beliefs and political efforts. Out of these 70 clinics, the vast majority of them never performed abortions. Instead, they were mostly clinics in low-income neighborhoods that provided affordable access to contraception (including counseling on natural family planning), breast cancer screenings, cervical cancer screenings, pre and post-natal care, as well as general health care for women. All of that has been snatched from the people who need it the most by a pro-life camp that literally cares nothing about the actual lived realities and health care needs of women. So my advice is to not question this as a “what if” situation but to own the consequences of your political beliefs. The clinics are closing and have closed. What do you plan to do about it?

 

Post # 134
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Blushing bee
  • Wedding: January 2015

I may regret putting my two cents, but here it goes…

I’m Christian and pro choice. Sounds crazy huh? Would I get an abortion if I were to get pregnant? No. Do I believe women should have the right to do so? Yes. I do believe in separation of church and state. If you don’t believe in abortions then don’t have one. We have no right to judge or condemn anyone’s life choices. In my opinion only HE has that right. It’s not like these women purposely get pregnant because they want to have an abortion. Think of the many children who are born to mothers who don’t love or care for them. Who are beaten, or are starving, or homeless. Those who are given up who never fully acclimate, or never get adopted, who stay in the system…  

I really like the idea of a national child care. And fully support the extra things you ladies have been recommending. I think it would help reduce abortions and educate those who need it.

I guess I just find it unfair to pass laws based on a religious agenda when not everyone shares the same religious belief. 

Rant over. 🙂

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