(Closed) Prof said something odd today and I don't know what to make of it

posted 8 years ago in LGBTQ
Post # 32
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Busy bee
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@AdriannaJean:  your professor was giving you historic comment on how society discriminizes agaisnt homosexuality. 

How did you take that as offensive ?

Post # 33
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Bumble bee
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@HelleCat:  Lol, very true! 🙂

Post # 35
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Buzzing Beekeeper
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@Rachel631:  +1.  I agree with all of this. 

There were definitely strict behavior codes but certain homosexual behaviors would have been seen as normal (look up pederasty)–others would generally not have been (such as sex between two upper class male citizens).  But homosexual behavior would have occured alongside heterosexual behavior.

OP, Professor is pretty much right on as far as Greek/Roman culture.  As I understand it, as far as Roman sexuality there was a masculine/dominate side and a more passive/feminized/submissive side to the coin.  A free male citizen could generally enjoy sex with whoever (male or female) as long as he had the dominant role without losing any social status. 

I think your professor might mean it is meaningless to label them homosexual or heterosexual in the sense that we use the terms.

Post # 36
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: August 2013

I’m just curious what’s offensive? I’m missing something. It seems your professor related his reading of history. Is there a comment he made you didn’t include?

Post # 38
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Busy bee
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@AdriannaJean:  Thanks! I knew I was missing something.

I’ll just add that I’d read a lot about Ancient Greek sexuality. It’s really interesting given what we are told in America about “nontraditional” sexual preferences. 

Post # 39
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Busy bee
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I don’t think he’s necessarily saying that being attracted to the same sex is a choice. I think he’s just saying that identfying a strict sexual preference is a choice, and a relatively new one. Most people have at least some level of attraction to both sexes, so it is a choice to decide to identify a certain way and only act on attraction to one specific sex.

Post # 40
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: October 2013

Makes sense to me. Kind of reminds me of Kinsey’s model of sexuality; no real lines defining heterosexual and homosexual.

Post # 41
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: June 2012

As others have said, this is pretty much the accepted historical explanation — I’m a history Ph.D candidate with a minor field in gender and sexuality. 🙂 I think I should also add that the HETEROSEXUAL and the homosexual were BOTH “invented” around the same time. It’s not that there weren’t men and women attracted to and having sex and relationships with same-sex (or opposite-sex) partners before that, it’s that society and specifically medical science hadn’t thought of those behaviors as being the expression of an internal, immutable IDENTITY. So before that certain point, if you were a woman engaging in sexual behaviors and partnered relationships with another woman, you were…certainly odd, probably a sinner, maybe insane, but you weren’t — dun-dun-DUNNNN — a “lesbian,” with all the ideas and assumptions that go with that label.

Sexuality has a history…even if what people were doing with their bits doesn’t change THAT much (and it still kinda does change), what people THINK about what they’re doing with their bits and what other people are doing with their bits changes a LOT. 🙂 I think that much of the “queer” angle of LGBTQ could certainly speak to this refusal of a hetero/homo (and in some cases male/female or masculine/feminine) binary.

Post # 42
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Bumble bee

I don’t put a label on my sexual preference because I know that as I age I will have different feelings towards different people. Humans are sexual creatures and by labeling my sexual preference only restricts who a I am “supposed” to love. I believe that more people are in the Kinsey 1-5 than in the 0/6 categories. Many just surpress their feelings to “fit in” with society.

Post # 43
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Bumble Beekeeper
  • Wedding: March 2012 - Pelican Grand Beach Resort

Just a note: if you want to learn more about sexuality in ancient Greece, I think the best book for a non-specialist is Courtesans and Fishcakes by James Davidson.

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