Post # 137
@Aure: I would want to know your own race (you don’t have to respond if you don’t want to, of course!). I ask because people who are in a position of privilege (white people for instance) often have trouble recognizing racism in situations where it does not affect them. See, for example, the discussion about noticing minorities in TV shows that went on on page 3.
@Mrs.KMM: “Time” didn’t correct that. The actions of women’s rights groups and activists are the one of the huge reasons that women are where we are today.
Post # 138
@Corilee13: Would he not have qualified for Medicaid if he was poor?? That sounds like a terrible situation 🙁
@Aubergold: Haha, it just sucks you back in, doesn’t it 🙂
Post # 139
@hilsy85: I’m pretty offended that you would ask me my race. If you really want to know, it’s not hard to find pictures of me here on Weddingbee. Pointing a finger at me and saying “If you’re white you’re privileged and don’t see discrimination” is exactly what the topic of this thread is about.
Post # 140
@hilsy85: Being white does not make you privileged – can you please be careful by saying that. And white does not always recognize the cultural or religious diversity that we recognize as well.
Post # 141
@mrsjazz: “Unfortunately, not everyone will treat Mrs. DG’s daughter the same, and that is a fact.”
I would. Everyone I know would.
And you know what, some people will treat me differently as a female engineer over a male counter-part. But unfortunately we can’t automatically “fix” everyone’s beliefs and actions. And giving people advantages due to race or gender or whatever does absolutely nothing to “fix” those beliefs either.
Post # 142
@Corilee13: I am so so sorry about your brother and his experience.
I just wanted to point out that “Hispanic” designation is an ethnicity and not a race. I’ve never heard of a Medicaid rule like that, and I’m pretty familiar with Medicaid, but maybe you’ll teach me something new. What state?
Post # 143
@hilsy85: Medicaid also perfers disabled people. My younger brother has Medicaid because he has autism, but my older brother couldn’t get it. I don’t know why brain tumors aren’t considered a disability. There is a problem there all by itself. Medicaid was fairly easy for my younger brother to get though because of the autism so I will give them that, they are great for the disabled.
Post # 144
@Mrs.KMM: I think that the idea isn’t to give anyone and advantage. It’s to rectify disadvantage to the point that their is equity.
Promoting equity isn’t just about offering equal access. it’s about expecting equal outcomes. If you think that people have equal access and the outcomes just aren’t matching up, it’s because there are more barriers in place for one group than you are recognizing.
If you run a foot race where you’re the only one wearing 40 lbs. of rocks in a back pack, but you get to start a couple of seconds early, have you been given an unfair advantage or an unfair disadvantage?
Post # 145
“The actions of women’s rights groups and activists are the one of the huge reasons that women are where we are today.”
Activists wanted women to be EQUAL, not above or below men.
Same with race, people should be treated EQUALLY based on merit/performance/income/etc, their race shouldn’t have anything to do with it.
I’m okay and in agreement with policies that say people should be EQUAL. I’m against policies and give or deny SPECIAL TREATMENT or PRIVILEGES to groups based on gender, race, sexual orientation, religion, etc.
Post # 146
@Aure: I wasn’t pointing any fingers. I was just pointing out that when you are a member of a privileged group (be it white, male, heterosexual, upper middle class, etc), it can be difficult to recognize the ways in which racism, sexism etc is a reality for others because you (not you, the general you) don’t experience it/live it. And sorry, I don’t quite see why asking you your race is offensive, especially because it was, after all, a rhetorical question (I did say you don’t have to respond, of course). But I apologize if I offended you. That was not my intent.
@unixfairy: I’m not saying that being white automatically makes you privileged in every sense of the word. But being white does accord you certain privileges, simply by belonging to the majority race in this country. And of course there are distinctions within white (catholic, jewish, pentecostal, italian, irish, etc). But race has specifically historically referred to physical features/traits that distinguish one group from another (it’s not so obvious looking at someone to tell whether they’re catholic or baptist, for instance).
Post # 147
@Mrs. DG:I’m in Oregon. I’ve filled out the same types of forms when I was still in college and broke and the options under race/ethnicity are hispanic or not hispanic. There isn’t caucasian, African-American, Native American or anything else. Jsut hispanic/not hispanic. It’s exact says his panic or not hispanic/white. I don’t know if it is just my county that is that way because they do everything by county here.
Post # 148
@Aure: I think we actually agree with more than you think. I know I phrased it all wrong. I do that sometimes. But I seriously think that we need to stop looking at peoples physical atributes to determine whether they need help or deserve getting somewhere. I wish there were a real way to do it. What somebody looks like, whether it be skin color, gender, disability, or orientation, should have absolutely no bearing on whether or not they deserve more money, a certain job, better care, a better education, or anything else.
EDIT: At the same time I also believe that people shouldn’t automatically be afforded certain things just because the have one of those attributes. I believe help should go to those who need it and not to those who just look the same because that takes away from those who really do need it.
Post # 149
@Melini: Great example!
@Corilee13: Sorry to hear that! I guess I just assumed that once you’re below a certaiin income threshold, you automatically qualify for Medicaid (see here’s my bias showing…having never been in that situation, I “Assume” it’s just so simple for someone to get insurance. Unfortunately, that’s obviously not true… 🙁 ).
Post # 150
Being white does make you priveleged, sorry to say I know it doesn’t FEEL that way. It doesn’t make you rich, but you are priveleged. being white doesn’t mean you dont struggle but you are priveleged in a societel sense.
Im black and I could say the same for myself for things I have had no control over:
- being straight makes me priveleged (sexual orientation) and I would support a scholarship for gay youth.
- being skinny has made me priveleged (genetics)
- shit, having genetically clear skin has made me priveleged (genetics)
AWWW HELLL, AM I IN THIS THREAD AGAIN?!!!!
Post # 151
@Melini: People have been saying ALL THREAD that blacks, latinos, etc should be given special preference and/or advantages over whites.
All I agree with is giving everyone (black, white, yellow, purple, male, female, etc) equal treatment and consideration. No special preferences.