- east coast bride
- 8 years ago
- Wedding: May 2010
Is anyone being marriend by a Roman Catholic Woman Priest or Bishop? I didn’t know they even existed until last week!
Is anyone being marriend by a Roman Catholic Woman Priest or Bishop? I didn’t know they even existed until last week!
Um that’s considered illicit and not allowed, can lead to excommunication. :/
My opinion on the matter is, the Church should recognize them, however they say they don’t have the “authority” to recognize female priests. Only baptized males can be ordained according to the RCC and that it’s divine law and thus part of doctrine.
I second beekiss2: there are no “official” roman Catholic women priests. It’s not allowed (though there are fringe groups that do it, they’ve usually broken off from the church). If you want to get married by one, I’d say go for it! Just keep in mind that you probably won’t be considered officially married by the Catholic Church.
Thank you both for your comments. I did contact a RCWP and she is willing and excited to perform our ceremony. They are not recognized by the Catholic Church, so we will not “officially” be marrying within the church. she said that the church does not discuss them, nor does the media. She said there are 70 woman priests/bishops within the US and naturally many people are against having women have the same roles as men in the Catholic Church. I am very happy to know women like this exist. If there are any other Catholic Brides out there who want to be married by a religious woman, this is another option to being married within another Christian religion, like Episcopalian.
Yeah, like I said, I wish they would just say the Church regonizes them. I think *hopefully* eventually they’ll change their thoughts on the matter, as well as priestly celibacy.
Brides beware!!! If brides are interested in an actual Catholic wedding, avoid fringe groups like Roman Catholic Women Priests like the plague! Unfortunately some of these groups will mislead or engage in false advertising in order to get your money. This is not just liberal groups but conservative ones as well – some groups will offer to do your wedding Mass in Latin, without letting you know that they are from a breakaway group that is NOT really Catholic! (there are Latin Mass groups that ARE Catholic but there are a lot of fringe ones too).
I had a friend this happened to, they only found out later when they were getting involved at a *real* Catholic parish and somebody looked at their marriage certificate! They tried to track down the “priest” who “married” them with a Traditional Latin Mass and he was long gone along with their officiant fee. I had another friend who was married by a woman “priest” because she hadn’t gone to Church in many years and didn’t know that women can’t be *real* Catholic priests. She was able to speak to the woman “priest” about it but she didn’t get her money back, or even an apology!
It’s terrible because these people call themselves Roman Catholic when really there is nothing Roman Catholic about them. I think I heard somewhere there was a lawsuit to keep one group from using the “Catholic” name? Don’t let them scam you, if you have any doubts call the local bishop (the phone number should be on your local diocese’s web page) and find out. They keep lists of fake Catholic groups like Roman Catholic Women Priests that are operating in the area to protect consumers/the faithful.
Women will never be Roman Catholic Priests… and that’s 110% totally fine by me. It is nothing against women, and popes through the ages have always praised women and noted that without “us” the church could not function. This is no “slight” against us or have anything to do with keeping us from “having the same roles as men in the church.”
Please do not let schismatic groups taint the truth. I totally understand that some women would wish to become a priest, as do many men…. but that’s not what God has called us too. There are other ways God calls women to serve the church, however, it takes a very specific call from God to serve in his priesthood just as it does to serve in consecrated life as the spouse of Christ.
CCC 1577 : “The church recognizes herself to be bound by this choice made by the Lord himself. For this reason the ordination of women is not possible”
CCC 1578: “No one has a right to receive the sacrament of Holy Orders. Indeed no one claims this office for himself; he is called to it by God. Anyone who thinks he recognizes the signs of God’s call to the ordained ministry must humbly submit his desire to the authority of the Church, who has the responsibility and right to call someone to receive orders. Like every grace, this sacrament can be received only as an unmerited gift.”
Each and every one of the originial priests (disciples) chosen by Christ were asked to drop everything, give away all, and follow him…. serve only him… and give up any sense of a “personal” “life.” This is still the call of the priesthood. It’s not about “us” it’s about serving him. On top of that, the priest at consecration acts “in persona Christi” i.e. it’s not the priest blessing the bread and wine, it’s Christ himself just as it was at the last supper.
Further information can be found in your Catechism.
As for women’s role in the church, I suggest reading JPII’s apostolic letter “On the dignity and vocation of women.” Indeed, there was no other pope that did more to support womens’ roles in the church than JPII.
In fact… way way way back when, this is from Paul VI:
“Within Christianity, more than in any other religion, and since it’s very beginning, women have had a special dignity, of which the New Testament shows us many important aspects…; it is evident that women are meant to form part of the living and working structure of Christianity in so prominent a manner that perhaps not all potentialities have yet been made clear.”
Long long ago, the church searched and fought for our dignity. Long before wages, class ceilings, and burning bra’s.
In fact, look back to creation; The creation of “man” is the first thing created by God that is “not good.” He saves women to be the crowning jewel of his creation. It’s after us, in all our complexities that creation is finished.
Women who have been ordained are following their own will, and not that of Christ’s call. They have left the church, left her sacraments, left the grace of communion in order to do this. They do not have the blessing to work “in persona christi.” They cannot bless the Eucharist and they can not give you the sacrament of Marriage. They do not follow in Apostolic Succession. (EVERY Catholic priest can trace their routes back to that of the original disciples.)
This is not a decision to be taken lightly. At surface level, yes, it does seem “un-fair” to women to not be ordained, however, this is not so. The church has fought for women’s rights long before society ever did. They have revisited the issue many times and it’s not a matter of “getting with the times.” It was a decision made by Christ himself and therefore they do not have the authority to change that. Celibacy IS something that can be changed one day…. (obviously within marriage). One day priests may very well be allowed to marry… personally, I don’t want them too…. Christ asked his disciples to drop EVERYTHING and leave all their friends and family behind to follow him and preach his word… he didn’t let them go “home” when the day was done… their day was never done… as it that of a modern priest. They are working a 24/7 job serving their parish… but, it is something that Christ did not address and therefore can one day possibly change.
Just, do your research, read the church documents explaining WHY things are the way they are… By taking this route, you will not be recognized by the church and you will be essentially making the decision to leave the church. It’s something to pray very long and hard about….
I’ll end by saying that anytime I have questioned yet still followed God many blessings have followed… If you have any questions on where to find the documents, or books I mentioned please do not hesitate to let me know.
@KLP: I’ll have to disagree with you on some these things, and I disagree with my Fiance–very very conservative Catholic. However, it’s nothing that I would leave over. Unfortunately, I believe the Church has done a disservice to women on putting so much interest in male religious life and not all vocations, like sisters and deacons, and even married life. The Bishops really have pushed for priests because they are few, instead of preaching quality and the importance of each vocation. Some Bishops in the local dioceses have not allowed deacons as a way to coerce men to either choose marriage or the priesthood which is a shame, because I believe that it can alienate those who are already married and want to participate more than just being a Eucharistic minister (which is also VERY important). I do have to say the perfect example of a woman is Mary, who we know is a saint (ascension straight to Heaven). She is our most holy Mother and provided the next best example of Love, of course after Christ. If priests had better homilies explaining how we, woman, are equal to men and offer important roles within the Church other than reproducing, then we would have happier females. I have to say my parish has done a good job indicating opportunities for both potential seminarians and sisters, but it’s also rather liberal than most b/c it’s on a college campus and run by the lovable Domincans! 🙂
However, I do agree with KLP, you should take this seriously and pray, discuss with your current priest as well as your fiance. If you find after much contemplation, then it’s settled. Good luck!
It is impossible to ordain a woman to the priesthood. This is not a Church discipline like priestly celebacy. It is a theological impossibility. It does not matter if the form is rite or not. Usually these things are happening by self appointed women bishops who’ve found Anglican bishops (or claim to have found Anglican bishops) to ordain them. Since these women have self appointed themselves as women bishops, they feel they have the authority to “ordain” other women.
You might as well be following Mr. Crazy Pope Michael in Kansas whose claim to the papacy is that some of his relatives and a couple neighbors elected him Pope, if you’re going to consider these women “priests” actually valid administrators of the sacraments or having in any valid association with the Catholic Church. In almost all these cases, these Catholic women have been immediately excommunicated as they are making false claims about their authority and status and thus potentially misleading the faithful.
Now, I realize it is difficult for us in our world to understand how it is not sexist to claim that men can do something that women can’t do, but it is important to understand that Catholicism teaches both that men and women are equal in dignity and of the same kind (at last bone of my bone, flesh of my flesh), but that what differences we do have has more than superficial meaning. We must discover our femininity and men must discover their masculinity. We must ponder the mystery that the Church is the bride of Christ, that we call the Church “she” and that the priest takes the role of “persona Christe” at the sacrifice of the Mass. He takes the place representing the bridegroom. We women must represent the receptivity that all humanity must have toward God, and we must accept the meaning of the receptivity of our bodies and the great meanings that God has imbedded in how he made us male and female. This may be why Christ only choose men for apostles, but also may be why the greatest and most elevated human being is our Blessed Mother who is not mere Apostle, but Queen of Heaven and Earth.
I recommend the book “The privledge of being a woman” by Dr. Alice Von Hildebrand.
@ KLP and twoangles -Well done!
Everyone is focused on being able to get what they want, when they want, how they want it. People have stopped asking, “What is God’s will? What is God calling me to do?”
Just wanted to add that I discovered Peter Kreeft also has a talk given on the subject located here:
It seems he also wrote a book with Dr. Alice Von Hildebrand that I hadn’t been aware of:
An excert is here: http://www.peterkreeft.com/topics-more/sexual-symbolism.htm
@KLP, well done!! Thank you for outlining that so clearly – it’s such a good reference to know where to find stuff like this in the CCC. I hope that every Catholic who longs to be married really does their research, to know that their Officiant is ‘legit’.
On a theological note, in the case of the couples Magdalena described, would they be “guilty” of pre-marital sex, co-habitation, etc.? My guess would be probably not, since they themselves were mislead (unless maybe it was something relatively easy to research, like female ‘priests’). Just a thought :S
@twoangels: My Fiance and I listened to that on the way to Easter dinner with his family in our home town. The one argument that does stick with me is that Christ was so different and willing to go “against the grain” that if he wanted priestesses he would have had them. Also, that jewish law indicated that the only priests were male from the Levite tribe, and thus that’s carried through–if Christ wanted priestesses then he would have had them. I guess my biggest qualm with the how the Church is being run, I feel there is a lack of emphasis of where women can play a role and how we are equal but different. Yes, we can only give birth (males cannot), giving life is great but what happens if you’re infertile or older? What role do those individuals play?
I’m sorry, but a woman can’t be a Catholic priest. She can call herself a Catholic priest and claim to be giving a Catholic wedding, but she just isn’t. If you claimed to be vegetarian but still ate fish, you wouldn’t be vegetarian – same concept. It bugs me when people do non-Catholic things in the name of Catholicism. Any marriages that this woman priest presides won’t be recognized by the Catholic church anyway, so you might as well pick any random religious leader for all the significance it will have.
@Annoid: That’s interesting b/c the sacrament of Marriage is performed by the two individuals marrying, the priest oversees it but of course, then the Eucharist isn’t actually there is it b/c females aren’t priests… That’s tough, in the eyes of the Church then it wouldn’t be valid because a priest did not oversee the marriage. In any case, after a lengthy consultation with their regular RCC priest and I’m sure the Sacrament of Reconciliation, their marriage could be convalidated given these three things: both the man and the woman must be baptized, able to marry and freely consent to the marriage.
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