(Closed) sandy hook hoax.

posted 7 years ago in The Lounge
Post # 227
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Honey bee

Wow, this thread is incredible and sad. To those asshats who question how those poor parents should be feeling, and have been reacting to media, I’d like to know what they think parents who just lost their babies to a heavily armed gunman who riddled them with bullets in their elementary school SHOULD feel? They don’t know because they don’t have to live it! To question their feelings… I’m too disgusted to say more. 

Post # 229
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Bumble Beekeeper
  • Wedding: April 2014

Honestly I dont have an opinion on this either way. I prefer to not try to get into stuff like this. 

But its really saddening all of you who are judging others for not thinking the same thing as you. Honestly, because they dont believe everything that the media says, they’re sickos? Riiight. Remind me to never disagree with anyone, because it might mean that I’m sick in the head and about to go kill a bunch of children. Get a grip. 

Post # 230
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Bumble Beekeeper
  • Wedding: November 1999

@allyfally:  If people want to believe the world is flat or men didn’t walk on the moon, that doesn’t bother me. It doesn’t hurt anyone. But this conspiracy cr*p is (a) disrespecting the grief of real people (and possibly adding to it, because I’ve heard some of the grieving families have heard of these theories), and (b) being used to obscure debate on a serious real issue (gun deaths). So I certainly have less respect for anyone who thinks says this crackpot stuff is even remotely possible, or that they are neutral about it.

Post # 231
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: November 2015

To anyone who would like to know the verified facts of this case, I would suggest checking out the CT Post’s coverage of the events. The newspaper isn’t perfect, far from it, but I feel that they’ve done a decent job at reporting facts that have been verified from a named source (again, unless you see the information coming from a nemed official or the families I wouldn’t believe it).

The following link, to a CT Post article, does not make for pretty reading. It is gruesome and horrifying and heartbreaking. . . and that is precisely why I’m posting it here. I support a person’s right to question the media and the government. I support their right to have an opinion. But the next time you start thinking that this didn’t actually happen or that those people didn’t die or that this is just a way to take away people’s guns, I hope that you remember this article.

NOTE: This link contains graphic information regarding the death of Noah Pozner.

http://www.ctpost.com/local/article/Angela-Carella-Grieving-mothers-who-wanted-the-4203697.php#photo-3906883

Everytime you claim that this is a Government conspiracy, you are adding to the pain that mother, and all the families, are feeling. Every time you claim that those children didn’t die a horrific and painful death, you are adding to their pain. Please, for the love of all you hold dear, please remember those families before you speak. They are dealing with something that most of us can only imagine in our darkest nightmares.

(Please keep in mind, that I am extremely supportive of questioning the media in this case. The way they handled the situation is deplorable and reprehensible, especially because they didn’t wait to verify anything before printing it. This lead to confusion on a mass scale and, in the end, led to these conspiracy theories being born. If you want to question their actions while reporting the shooting, I am fully supportive of that.)

Post # 232
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: August 2012

@allyfally:  yes, accusing parents if faking their children’s murder for money/politics is sick.

 

 

@LoggerHead91207:   + a million. Like I said, I know one of the dads. I saw his Facebook posts after the conspiracy nut jobs started publishing their garbage… Every time you question whether or not his baby is dead, or if he knew it was going to happen, you’re making the healing process that much harder.

Post # 233
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: March 2009

@paula1248:  That’s fine, and I never said it didn’t happen. I just said, from the video I watched, it looks contradictory. And the video does make it look contradictory. But that’s what it is: a video on the internet, and not a reliable source of information.

Post # 234
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Blushing bee
  • Wedding: July 2013

@AcheneMalefic:  Anyone who doesn’t look at this from a strictly emotional and compassionate point of view is going to be judged and told they are sick. That’s just obsurd and absolutely unfair. Like you said, the video DOES make it look contradictory. And I believe while some of the videos that debunk the claims do a great job, some of them still don’t do it for me. Such as the fact that there are some pages made on December 11th…

At this point I am thinking that while I do believe this all happened, the goverment is definitely using it to their advantage in trying to create stricter gun control laws.

 

Post # 235
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: November 2015

@jadealexaellis:  The following link will explain why the date stamps might be wrong.

Sandy Hook Hoax: Were Websites And Facebook Groups Published Before The Massacre?

Seriously, there are simple explanations for everything in that video. There is no coverup. These theories were created simply to garner attention or, in some cases, money.

Or you can take a look at this website:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/newtown.asp

It debunks pretty much everything in that video altogether.

Is the Government using this as a chance to reform gun laws? Yes. Why? Because twenty children who were barely out of Kindergarten were gunned down in their classrooms. It would make anyone stop and wonder whether the average American should have access to these types of weapons.It would also make anyone wonder how we can improve mental health support in this country, whether we should ban violence in the media, and a whole bunch of other things (which were addressed by the Vice President’s commission and will be addressed as well as gun control).

And people are responding to you so heatedly because the video claims have been debunked numerous times. Yet people are still claiming that the video makes sense or makes reasonable claims (not saying that you did). For someone who knows family members of the victims and who lives twenty minutes away from Newtown, it’s really tough for me to try and respond politely when I see people writing that. I’ve done the best that I can with being civil, but it’s tough.

Post # 236
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Honey bee

So these people think that the gooberment has put together a conspiracy fake murder of dozens of people, bought out all the media outlets, paid off all those parents as well as the entire Newtown citizenship,  but forgot to fix a couple of time stamps??

Post # 237
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: September 2012

@allyfally:  The problem with your complaint is that not everything in the world is a matter of opinion. Some things are just either right or wrong, fact or fiction. We’re not talking about “people thinking differently” here, we’re talking about people perpetuating ridiculous, easily debunkable lies are extremely hurtful to people who are already grieving from tremendous loss. So I’m sorry if I don’t feel bad for anyone who’s been shot down for buying into this nonsense.

Post # 238
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: December 2011

This thread. I can’t even wrap my head around the stuff some of you are posting.

Is this real life?

Post # 239
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: March 2015

@ellebeerob:  Riiiight? This is just sick. Like, I really wish this were a sick freaking joke!

Post # 240
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: August 2012

@ellebeerob:  If you think this is bad… someone actually walked up to the father my husband and I know at a grocery store and asked him “how much Obama paid” him.  I never would have believed people were capable of this level of ignorance and cruelty to their own neighbors because of differing political beliefs. 

And people honestly think the Govt was smart enough to pull of this elaborate, enormous, unprecendented hoax, but went ahead and posted the memorial sites a day early on FACEBOOK? Give me a goddamn break.

Post # 241
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Buzzing Beekeeper

I’ve been avoiding this thread, because I don’t want to add to the fire. I honestly don’t get this whole thing, all I care about is those little ones who are gone. But I am wondering 1 thing. (Don’t shoot me, I’m just asking!)

How can the FB groups/fund pages that were opened prior to the shooting be explained?

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