Post # 257
i lost my mom in july to a murder/suicide (her ex) and the only thing i could think worse as a parent is if my child were killed. all those poor parents are living my worst nightmare.. losing my mom suddenly to such tragedy was hard, but what happened in sandy hook made me thankful that i at least had my mom for 32 years and this world had her for 53 years.. those poor children did not even make many milestones of life. they should have had that chance and people who claim that this was a conspiracy are disgusting in my eyes. i respect your decision and right to have your own point of view, but i find it heartless and cold. do i think the government is reliable and never covers anything up?? NO WAY! HOWEVER, i do not think that this incident had anything to do with government conspiracy.
as far as 911 goes, i really do feel that it could have been prevented possibly due to the fact that the governemnt knew something like that “might” have a chance of happening. there still is never a 100% chance that even if they knew that they could have prevented anything though.
Post # 258
Those sources are really useful, thank you for sharing them. I teach an academic writing course & my students have the harest time with this so I’m going to show them those sites.
I’ve also showed them this thread (and the video) to show the dangers of not evaluating a source properly. It’s led to some pretty hilarious discussions so far.
Post # 259
I dont think people are thinking its a hoax based only on the fact that they dont like Obama. I support Obama. And I havent said that these people are correct, I’m just saying that they’re allowed to have their opinion on the matter just as you are.
But whatever. Closed minded people usually dont like to hear different opinions, I guess. You go on believing that you’re the only person who’s correct in their way of thinking.
Post # 260
yes, me and the other 99% of the country who think its wrong to drag murdered children and their mourning parents through the mud are the “only” people who think this way… and yes, I am close minded to lies and slander. You’re talking about a man I know and questioning if he is lying about his daughter being dead… I seriously doubt you’d be “open minded” about hearing this garbage directed at anyone you care about.
Post # 261
I’m not questioning anyone being guilty or innocent. Show me where I said that I personally think its a hoax.
Post # 262
If you want to question the way that the media handled this, please be my guest. They acted with extreme neglect and disregard for facts and the feelings of the people involved (I distinctly remember one reporter asking some of the kids and parents how the parents who lost children reacted when they found out; if that doesn’t qualify as neglect I don’t know what does). I do really wish that people would stop and wait until the State Police release their report on the matter to start debating any of this stuff though.
And I think the reason people are namecalling is because this is a highly emotionally charged topic, especially for those of us who actually live near Newtown. I’ve been able to control myself so far, but I have been really tempted to pull out some names myself. I feel very protective of these families, especially because I’m friends with people who are either related to the victims. For me this isn’t something where I can just sit back and debate about it as an abstract thing; this is deeply personal for me.
I know that you have absolutely no intention of harming the families and I’m sure no one else here has that intention either. . . but the families have come across some of the rumors online. And it has been agonizing for them to see what people have said. I just hope that people think about that before writing something.
+1! I minored in Journalism in college, so I know all about sources. Those links could be really useful for people who don’t know though. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again, if the source isn’t a named official (such as Gov. Malloy or State Police Lt. Vance) or a member of one the families who lost a loved one then you should view the information stated with extreme
caution and skepticism.
Post # 263
To all the Sandy Hook Elementary conspiracy theorists:
“What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”
Post # 265
- Wedding: August 2013 - Rocky Mountains USA
definitely just a weird sub sample of wackos in this thread! Don’t let it taint the whole site for you!
as I’ve occasionally thought to myself while reading posts here: there are a lot of ignorant fucks in the world, and some of them are getting married 😉
haha love it!
Post # 266
I did not read this whole thread, nor do I plan to. I have enough people in my life who do not know how to have a civil discussion over something politically charged. I am lucky to have been taught how to have a conversation about something even if I completely disagree with the person. (sincerely, not being snarky there. I’m grateful for my pain in the ass brother arguing with me my whole life lol) I do think that a lot of the anger here is emotional and I can completely understand it. I don’t think it was a “hoax”. I haven’t researched it but as @BartenderPlease:
said, people died and there are many people out there who know victims or were victims. But I think the media is contributing 100% to this disconnect amongst America. We judge each other based purely on politcal parties, we don’t want anything to do with someone who simply has a DIFFERENT OPINION. My cousin posted a meme on fb that said “If you believe in stricter gun control please delete me”….I mean really? You want your FAMILY to delete you and not be in your life because on a difference of opinion. That’s sad. Whether some secret service person knew it would happen, who knows. Someone who blindly trusts their government is living in a bubble. Every government in the world has blood on its hands and TONS of it. I sincerely hope this was not something that added to that blood. But I even more so think people need to stop fighting each other.
Post # 267
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with questioning the government and the media – anyone with a brain knows the public isn’t told everything.
However, I find it DISGUSTING that there are people nitpicking at the grieving process of these parents and calling them actors. It’s absolutely atrocious. A friend of mine posted that video and I was so shocked – she has two children. How can she look at the videos of those parents and suggest that their grief isn’t real? It’s unfathomable to me.
Post # 269
I agree with most of what you said. I do think that it’s dumb to blindly trust any Government and that the media has played a huge role in dividing the American public (or, at least, the talk show news hosts have). I also agree that there are ways to discuss important matters with respect and civility.
I wish that people would stop fighting each other. I’ve done my best to be civil and to explain just why these theories are incorrect, but it is incredibly difficult. It feels like I’m talking to a wall sometimes, especially because ever claim that video made has a simple explanation and the people supporting these claims have offered no valid proof whatsoever. It’s incredibly frustrating, but I do agree that everyone needs to at least try to be polite about this.
+1 I don’t understand it either. I think there are people in the world who are so hateful or who want attention so badly that they are willing to say or do anything to get it. The louder they yell their lies the more likely it is that someone will believe them or at least listen with interest. The people spreading the lies are the ones I have a problem with and who I refuse to show respect (you have to show that to get it from me). The people who are simply trying to figure things out, I will attempt to treat with respect and answer whatever questions they have to the best of my ability.
Post # 270
alright, you can have an ‘opinion’ that the world is flat but that doesn’t make it valid. You’re still wrong. So sure, anyone who wants to believe this is a hoax is free to hold that “opinion” but it’s still patently incorrect and we’re free to call them out on it. It’s just as easy to prove this is not a hoax as it is to prove the world is round.
What if someone held the opinion that men are inherently smarter than women? Would we still have to be gentle and sweet with them because its their opinion, even if its wrong and offensive? I don’t think it’s catty to say someone is ignorant for believing this nonsense. It’s just true.
Post # 271
I don’t like the Prez and didn’t vote for him, but I would NEVER ascribe to him the action talked about on this thread.
He caused 26 kids to be slain? Or, equally insane, he causeed a myth about 26 kids slain?
That is freekin’ crazy. Next someone will be saying that he wasn’t born in this country and his birth certificate is false…oh, wait.
That he is using this tragedy to further a liberal agenda of gun control isn’t a crazy interpretation of his action. He’s just being a politician, not someone evil or underhanded.