(Closed) sandy hook hoax.

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Post # 62
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: May 2013

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@Lovemelovemyhorses:   I would really love to know where you get the fact that the government owns the media. 

“I think it’s pretty wise to question things the media tells you actually. I mean, if the government controls the media, then they could hypothetically be feeding us garbage, and as Mark Twain put it- it’s easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled.” 

Most newspapers are owned by business owners who picked it up as a side venture. In writing for years now, for everything from state-level publications to local publications, never ever ever had I had the government any impact on my writing. The only censoring I ever had was when our newspapers owner was also doing PR for a business, and I found out information about that business he didn’t want released yet. 

So it was a local business censoring, internal censoring, the government – doesn’t give a damned about most newspapers, blogs or websites. 

 

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@mariegerbasi:   If you think Sandy Hook or 9/11 is a hoax, perhaps you should visit either area, or pay a visit to those affected. Yes, there are sick people out there – both those shooting children and those who believe everything is a conspiracy theory.

 

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@arsing89:  There is probably only one picture of children being evacuated because the incident happened so quickly – by the time police were notified, then journalist/reports hop in their cars, then drive to the scene (anywhere from 5 – 30 minutes) … then take photos. I don’t think the teachers and police waited 30 minutes to evacuate students to safety just so the media could get there first.

Here’s a hint: most newspapers ethically tell reporters/journalists not to take photos of young children (under 14/15) without parent’s permission. Taking the photo fo the children being evacuated in a chain – unethical to most. That’s why there’s few to no photos.  

Those media members who interviewed children about the shooting got severely chasitized. 

 

For everyone else-  It’s fine to go ahead and question what the media tells you. In fact, get educated on who owns what newspapers (no the government doesn’t own every newspaper and radio station) and what the owner’s political affiliations are. Then judge the newspaper. 

On important issues – read multiple media sources to get all the details, compare and contrast. With sandy hook- of course there’s tone of mismatched details – lots of places published information before it was confirmed, leading to inaccurate details. If you search out early reports and they don’t match later reports, its because the information was corrected as time was given to sort out. 

The same thing happens with the police all the time – multiple eyewitnesses give different details. THey have to piece together what happened – eventually a clearer picture emerges based on common details and evidence at the scene. But it takes time for that to happen.

Those who think 9/11 was a hoax – you are sick. I wish I could bring back friends and family killed. Or that the  government asked them to die.  

 

 

Post # 63
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Bumble bee
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@peachacid:  Did you read my whole comment? It has nothing to do with the buildings hit by airplanes. It was building 7, which also collapsed, but was not hit by anything.

Again, I am not saying this is the truth, but I am saying sometimes these “crazy” theories are worth at least listening to before forming an opinion. THAT is the definition of open-minded.

Post # 64
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: September 2012

I watched the video, and while I am NOT saying the shooting didn’t occur there was just a lot that didn’t add up to me.

– The time stamps– A pp pointed out that google said their timestamping was wrong. Ok, but for multiple pages? And Facebook? Just seems weird.

– The picture of the child that was supposedly dead

-the parents reactions in the videos-

–The footage of the second shooter being captured in the woods

Post # 65
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: September 2012

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@icetea:  Good lord is right, this whole thread is disturbing. I just don’t even…

Post # 66
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: October 2011

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@Ariadne:   Her sister is also in the picture with Obama (the little one on the far left hanging on to his leg).

Post # 67
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: June 2013

The thing I question is why were all these memorial pages for the people who died created before the shooting even happened? That doesn’t make sense.

Post # 68
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Sugar Beekeeper
  • Wedding: August 2013

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@LovelyLaura: 
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@LGenz: +1

I looooove conspiracy theories. I think they’re great and entertaining (and sometimes depressing). But there’s a line between nutjob get me my tinfoil hat and a healthy skepticism.

Post # 69
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: August 2011 - St. Joseph's Parish, Seattle Tennis Club

Ugh, all of this just makes me sick and sad again. Children DIED. Conspiracy stuff like this just dismisses those deaths, and they SHOULD NOT be dismissed. 

Post # 70
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: September 2011

For anyone who thinks facebook or google timestamps are infallible, I’d like to interject that you would be really surprised what passes for IT infrastructure at some companies, even household name companies with very big budgets.  I support a lot of these household names in my day-to-day work, and I know what their operational issues are.  I find it FAR easier to believe that some mega-corporation has jacked up something in their IT infrastructure than that the government has managed to pull off a mass murder of its citizens and keep everyone involved quiet. Period.  The big problem with any of these conspiracy theories is that they are too big to execute without a leak.  If we’re talking about the government or the military conducting super secret chemical weapons testing and harming its citizens that way, I’m actually willing to debate that, because that really only takes two or three guys in lab coats and it would be comparatively easy to keep them hushed up or make them disappear. But dozens of school kids? Short of a long-term project to stage a fake school and become part of the community while still keeping outsiders out, that’s just not going to happen. You simply cannot contain this story.

And for those who think no plane went into the Pentagon on 9/11— which is a big chunk of the Loose Change/911truth theory— feel free to ask me anything about that day, because I was right across the street. I saw the plane flying where it shouldn’t be, and I felt everything shake when it hit, and I smelled the jet fuel burning as we evacuated.  The Pentagon is a *really* big building and saying there is no plane in that wreckage just because you can’t see it in the photos is just like saying there’s no bicycle in your garage just because you can’t see it from the street. Period.

Post # 71
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: May 2013

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@KateByDesign:  She had two sisters. At least there were two other little girls in the original photo. I’m not convinced by that one bit of evidence. I will agree that there is some very weird inconsistancies. The major thing that made me go “wtf!?” was the tape of her dad at the press conference. I find his reaction VERY strange, when he went from laughing (and saying something about “are we starting”) and then suddenly changed and really playing up his sadness. It does not seem real to me in that moment.

I don’t think the whole things was thought up by the government.

 

I think it would be much more plausible for one family and a few other people just trying to take advantage of others in a time of extreme emotional anguish.

 

I was also really uneasy when they interviewed the man who “took six kids into his home and let them play with dolls”

 

 

Post # 72
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Busy bee
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I find conspiracy theories to be quite entertaing. But, this? I think this is a disgrace to the families of the victims. It’s been one month. Let them mourn in peace.

Post # 73
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Buzzing bee
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@dragonlover:  You can’t evacuate anything when a building is in lockdown until proper safety measures are taken. Even if you take the media thing out of it, there are still so many things that do not add up.

I never said I didn’t those childrens lives were taken from them. Because I know that they were whole heartedly. I’m just saying that there are a lot of things that don’t add up.

Post # 74
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: August 2011

This is ridiculous.

Have any of you thought that the reason the time stamps are different on facebook is because this event was reported WORLDWIDE and had massive coverage everywhere in DIFFERENT TIMEZONES.

It is perfectly possible that someone in the UK or China or australia created the memorial pages when the news broke there – which **newflash** would have been 24 hours / 8 hours /12 hours etc before the time in America.. 

Post # 75
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Buzzing bee
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@mrsbacon:  While I understand what you are saying, there is no place in the world where something would show up as December 11th on December 14th.

Post # 76
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Bee Keeper

I like a good conspiracy theory just as much as the next Conservative, but I think that what happened in the case of Sandy Hook is a fountain of fast ( read: inaccurate) reporting and the hysteria that ensued when details came out about the children/teachers. 

Seriously, conspiracy theorists need to pick their battles. Sometime effed up things just happen in life, and no amount of Google searching, back door YouTube videos or ” eyewitness” accounts  will change that. 

Yes, the American media is biased and the U S Government is corrupt– these are things we all already knew. Not accepting everything that comes from your favored news station is a good thing, but turning every tragedy into a government cover up is just ridiculous. 

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