Post # 17
This just goes to show you have to look at all possible biases before you completely trust an article. I initially briefly read it, was disgusted, then noticed the site it was on “womensrights.change.org.” Of course they’re going to make it seem like women are victims, and we need change! I wouldn’t have gone into as much in depth research as EvaBostonTerrier did but would have just written it of as extreme journalistic bias. Thanks for shedding even more light on this fact Eva!
Post # 18
Wow… definitely a more to it than the c-section.
for the record, I WANTED a c-section but had to go through trying a natural birth… ended up with a c-section anyway. (my insurance would’ve covered an optional c-section, and the office STILL refused my request.)
however, I did NOT have to pre-sign anything. Other than the usual papers for registration. (one red flag)
why wouldn’t you sign a pre-consent form? it’s to save the hospital from liability later. (second red flag)
soooo…. yeah, kinda figured there was more going on, then I read Eva’s input. THAT made everything fall into place!!!!
gotta love the articles on the net these days, don’t you???
Post # 19
I don’t think I would sign a pre-consent form for a C-Section, assuming I entered the hospital with no complications or indications that a vaginal birth wouldn’t be possible. However, that doesn’t mean that if I, or my child, was suddenly in distress that I wouldn’t agree within about 10 seconds to a C-Section or sign the form then. I don’t want to refuse necessary medical treatment, but I don’t want to have unecessary procedures done either, which I think happens somewhat frequently.
I am glad that there was more to the story, as the way the original link presented it was horrifying.I know that no case is really cut and dry, but in my oppinion a woman should have the right to refuse any medical treatment that she or her child are not dependent on for survival.
Post # 20
The extra info certainly helps clarify this case! I would however, probably also refuse to sign a pre-consent.
Post # 21
I work in NICU in Canada, so I attend high-risk deliveries, and right now the legal department is really concerned by the fact that we obtain consent for emergency c-sections immediately before going into the OR. The concern is that the patient is under duress when you reveal that the baby is in danger, therefore they aren’t in the right frame of mind to consent to a c-section, and that they could come back and sue later.
They are considering using pre-consents because then you know that the patient was thinking relatively clearly when they sign, and it decreases legal liability.
Post # 22
I understand your POV, but I can tell you I wouldn’t sign a pre-consent. Then again, I wouldn’t give birth in a hospital that had a high track record of C-Section. But I have resources to make a choice like that. I certainly wouldn’t refuse a C-Section that became necessary, but FAR too many hospitals take this approach as soon as there are any problems.
Post # 23
sooooo true!!! the duress part!!! With my son, my opinion was “whatever it takes to stop the pain!!!” and I have a HIGH threshold for pain!!!! First time mothers have NO idea what the pain MIGHT be like. (for the record, i had NO PAIN for my daughter… and NO that isn’t a good thing because NO ONE thought I was in labor. Not even ME.)
pre-consent for a c-section is no different than pre-consent for anything else. blood transfusions, medicine, etc. you have to sign pre-consent forms for A LOT of things, so why not for a c-section????
here’s another question to consider: you have the option to sign concent forms for your kids to recieve treatment if their injured is school… and, would you NOT sign those forms? and refuse to allow your child treatment if they are injured at school? MANY injuries can cause death or serious complications if not treated immediately. me? i sign them. better to be safe than sorry.
the bottom line is: which would be better? a c-section? or loosing your baby or allowing your baby to have serious medical problems later because of your refusal of a c-section?
Post # 24
I think you are missing the point here. We sign preconsent forms for emergency treatment and blood transfusions, but there isn’t a minor epidemic going on right now of hospitals providing unnecessary and premature emergency treatment and blood tranfusions.
I don’t think anyone on this board has stated that they would actually refuse a necessary C-section. What they have expressed is a deep concern about the fact that so many hospitals are performing C-sections too early and too often. If you would strongly prefer to make every safe effort to give vaginal birth, then giving the doctor the greenlight to override your preference doesn’t make sense, especially if you are at a hospital with a reputaion of C-section at first sign of trouble track records.
The numbers on C-sections can be shocking. Some hospitals have C-section rates in the teens, some have an almost 50% rate of C-section. For hospitals specializing in difficult births that would make sense, but the numbers vary that much even among regular regional hospitals. I want my care based on my needs and preferences, not on a hospital’s overly cautious (and sometimes profit driven) preference.
Post # 25
I prob wouldn’t sign a pre-consent either if I could help it… my POV was only relating to an instance where a woman is told that she either has to have a c-section or there is a good chance her baby will die/be harmed. Once that point comes where the medical staff is pretty sure refusal will hurt a baby, I’m not sure refusal should be allowed.
Post # 26
Sorry, I misinterpreted your post, and on re-reading it, the mistake was entirely mine.
I’m no medical ethicist, so I’ll leave that thorny issue to others!
Post # 27
You’re cherry picking from the article like crazy. The piece to which you linked actually presents a compelling argument against the hospital’s actions.
It’s worth noting that the baby was fine. Delivered vaginally and with no complications.