Post # 1
Okay, so who here thinks I self promote on the boards? Go ahead, raise your hands if you do and if that’s how you feel, I’ll be happy to leave. But first, I just wanted to take a moment to clear some things up here… if I were here just looking to get business, do you really think I would run around being so brutally honest that I would actually insult the occasional bride? Then continue to debate her from there? Really?
I have said time and again that I like hanging out here because it gives me the opportunity to show you your situations from the photographer’s point of view. Sometimes, that even means explaining things in a way I most of the time would never have the guts to say to one of my own brides. I only WISH someone else would have explained these things to them! So thats what I’m doing, here, trying to educate the masses so you all make great photography-related decisions and both you and your photographer come away with a positive experience. Inside, I’m also thinking to myself, today I might be making some other photographer’s life just a little bit easier, or today, I really helped that bride make a better decision for her photographer. If I had to tell you HOW MANY strangers portfolios I’ve looked at for brides in private… it actually became so time consuming it was beginning to stress me out until I eventually had to put a limit on it.
And for the record, this website helped make my business what it is, because I was a bride here long before I was a photographer and it was the information that I gained here that made me that much more aware of what other brides wanted/were looking for in photographers and cater to their needs. So I wanted to pay it back just a little.
To all new photographers who join this site, get flagged for self promotion and immediately rip into me because they think I’m getting away with something they didnt, just thought I’d let you know in the three years I’ve been a member on this site between this and my personal name, I have gotten maybe two inquiries from this site. Yet… I’m still here, trying to help you all. Funny how that works. If my help isn’t wanted or appreciated, really, I’d like to know so that I can stop investing so much time here where I’m really starting to feel unwelcome 🙁
Post # 3
Please don’t leave!!! I really enjoy your posts and you seem like a great person. I’d be really bummed if you left. Really. Haters will hate and you have to ignore them!!
Post # 4
I don’t think you are here to promote yourself. I’ve never read any posts you’ve written that have made me think, “gee, she’s just promoting her business.” I’ve seen people accuse you of it, but I’ve never agreed with their assessment.
Post # 5
As a fellow photographer, I do not feel that you have come anywhere near crossing the line into “self promotion”. If anything else, you tend to answer posts the way I would and save me all the typing 🙂 Its a shame that the ones that are trying to be helpful get sh*t on even when they are following the rules.
I purposefully didnt use my business name and never post my business info on the boards. Sometimes I am even hesitant to point out that I am a pro photographer for fear of the backlash you speak of. So kudos to you for being braver than I am on that front and shame on those that are giving you crap for trying to be helpful.
Post # 6
No! Your posts have always been incredibly helpful to me and I’ve never once seen a post where I thought you were self-promoting! I love that vendors stay on this site and help us clueless brides out!!
Post # 7
I agree with the PPs about never having thought that you were self-promoting. As a photographer, you bring a unique perspective and should not be punished because of your profession, that’s just stupid!
Post # 8
You and I had some disagreements in the beginning stages of my planning, but I think you are a valuable member on these boards. I have never even seen you post a link to your website or direct bees to go to your website. I think you help ground bees about photography and offer great tips. i am sorry someone felt the need to flag any of your posts. self promotion to me is posting your website all over the place. You are one of the most active photographers on the site and a lot of us would hate to see you go.
Post # 9
I’ve seen you give some really great advice here and have not thought you’ve been self promoting. Please stay.
Post # 10
Maybe I’m missing something but I’ve never seen you self promote. If anything you’re just helpful on the photography board. I think you’re a great addition to the Bee!
Post # 11
I’m newer, but I’ve NEVER seen you self-promote. Don’t leave! I saw the post that led you to make this one, and it’s totally not worth it. You know the rules, and you abide by them. Just because other people don’t and can’t doesn’t mean YOU should take crap for it. 🙁
Post # 12
I really enjoy seeing your input on the photography boards, and you offered me some really sound advice when I was engaged and having photog issues. FWIW — I appreciate your presence!
Post # 13
Don’t leave! You’ve helped so many people (myself included) and I’ve never once seen you self promote. You are such a great resource and I hope you stay!
Post # 14
Ive been around for over a year and have NEVER seen you self promote! You have always been really helpful and given great tips and advice! DOnt leave!
Post # 15
@PassionatePhotoLady: This is a pretty dramatic reaction! I think you are incredibly helpful in most areas, and in fact, as a photographer, I agree with most of the advice I’ve seen you give.
That being said, I think it was in poor taste to accuse me of trying to recruit a bride by offering to help her in a really ugly situation, something I did anonymously, with no reference to my business, style, experience, location, etc. I didn’t even PM the bride about it. I am new to this site and still learning what is and isn’t ok but I don’t like being attacked over it, especially coming from someone who, like I said before, has posted their own work on this site with images that have a watermark with your full business name in big print across them so anyone who wanted to look you up could. I’m sure your intentions were good when you posted it but please understand why your response in particular would be a hard pill for me to swallow when I’ve been a member less than a week and from your posts already know your full business name and where you’re located.
I am here for the same reasons, as a bride and as a wedding photographer. I think this is a valuable source to learn from brides and other vendors and have my own questions answered, as well as offer help or advice as a photographer when I can. But I am just as brutally honest as you are (which is generally a good thing!) so please don’t expect me not to call you out for something you probably know you shouldn’t do if you’re going to call me out for something I wasn’t aware was not cool. =) Definitely nothing to be so upset about though.
Post # 16
Thank you everyone who posted so far, and especially Ms. Tattoo for being a perfect example of how I do manage to offend the occasional bride lol. Thank you so much for not holding it against me 🙂 It’s funny to see the other photographers crawling out of the woodwork too. So many times I say to myself… that person must be a photographer and bam, guess I’m right. Part of the reason I even have my business name anywhere on this site is to add legitimacy to the advice I’m giving; the way I look at it is, would you take photography advice from some complete stranger you have no idea their level of experience as a photographer? I think it’s sad other people have to hide theirs for fear of being accused of self promoting. Idk, I’m still waiting for some people to come on and argue im a promoter, I’m sure it will happen but it’s nice to know at least a bunch of you appreciate what I’m trying to do here, so thank you thank you thank you. I feel a lot better 🙂