Post # 31
I’m wondering what about Bernie makes you think there needs to be a “middle ground”? He is for the same things you are espousing – health care for all, publicly funded education, a decent minimum wage…? He IS NOT that far left that there even needs to be a “middle ground.” These, IMO, are the basics that one of the wealthiest countries in the world ought to be able to provide their people with.
I am not a die-hard Bernie supporter, by the way. I voted for Clinton. I would vote for anyone on the left in opposition to the bigoted, misogynistic person in power now. But Bernie doesn’t strike me as very far left. I find is so funny/sad that we call people who oppose gay marriage, oppose universal health care, oppose trans rights, oppose a living wage, oppose birth control, and oppose choice “Conservative”, but anyone who supports health care for all, public education through at least two years post high school, and a living wage is WAYYYY too far left – left wing.
People often claim we need a “moderate left” candidate, but what would that look like? If the basics of living are called far left, then what would a “moderate” even support? Only going mostly bankrupt without health insurance? Only going ten years into debt for going to school? Only giving people an almost living wage?
Post # 32
I think Bernies issue is less that his ideas are very far left, it’s that his implementation specifics are more fanciful. Warren technically has the same goals as him, but her proposed policies seem more grounded in research and reasoning, and she comes off more moderate for it.
Post # 33
curiouscat2017 : echomomm :
I agree. Problem with Bernie is that he is promising unrealistic dreams – massive dreams like forgiving college debt (which would bankrupt the country) and his funding plans for this involve increasing taxation for Wall Street.
Never, ever go to an election with a tax increase as the basis of your budget supply. Ever. Even if you believe it’s in the interest of the country, and the country knows it’s in the best interests of the country.
That’s what happened in our last election. Labor lost an unlosable election. Because their policy involved increasing taxes on upper classes.
Post # 34
Trump said why don’t these people go back to their country, fix the problems and COME BACK and show how it’s done. How is this racist? He didn’t mention ANY race.
And I’m an immigrant. And guess what, I did an Ancestry DNA test and I’m “unfortunately” 100% white. About 96% Eastern Europe, 3% German and 1% Greek. What if someone tells me to go back to where I came from? How is it gonna be racist?
Post # 36
I don’t even understand what your problem is but whatever. I should just stop talking. ‘Kay.
Also I hope we like silencing immigrant women. Because that’s what you just asked for 🙂
Post # 37
melihbee : Trump said why don’t these people go back to their country, fix the problems and COME BACK and show how it’s done. How is this racist? He didn’t mention ANY race.
Probably because only one of them was even an immigrant herself. I don’t understand how you can seriously suggest sending someone “back” to a country they weren’t even born in? Everything to do with that sentiment is xenophobic at best.
If you were born in the US do you seriously think it would be appropriate for someone to suggest you weren’t allowed to have an opinion on US politics until you went back and fixed whatever problems Poland/Hungary etc have first?
Post # 38
did he mention names? Did he say who should go back?
Post # 39
This is what bothers people about Trump supporters at times; politicians, leaders and even presidents are not infallible so why do people try to justify blatantly xenophobic comments? If you don’t agree with racism or xenophobia then why not call it out? You can be conservative or republican without standing for some of Trumps more extreme views but when you try to explain away these comments you only give them validity.
Even your previous comment was that he told “these people” now you’re trying to say ‘oh he didn’t say names so he only meant that one women’.
His tweet was plural, it was clearly aimed at all 4 of them and trying to deny the bigotry and xenophobic in it is part of the problem.
Post # 40
I said just stop because you are only here to play games and hijack the thread. You’re not engaging in good faith or with intellectual honesty. It’s pretty transparent. So just stop.
We’re all immigrants except for natives. The fact that you (and the president) are immigrants (whatever generation) does not make racism and nationalism worthy views to hold and defend. Calm down.
Post # 41
In the first place, Trump DOES and HAS mentioned names. He has routinely and very specifically called out Mexicans when speaking about immigration. So just stop yourself right there. Secondly, do you seriously think people are concerned about his racism from ONEEEEE comment in AAAAAAAAAAAALL the hogwash he’s stated? You haven’t heard all the ignorance he’s spouted? A huge swath of what he has said for years now is racist, and if you can’t figure that out… wow.
Post # 42
What an awful thing to have happened.
I think that it is important to make sure that the woman who was insulted by this man does not feel alone. I hope that when the incident happened the rest of you immediately asked him to apologize to her and insisted that if he didn’t do so he wouldn’t be welcomed in your homes either.
if this didn’t happen then you and the other people at the party all need to get together to contact him and insist that he apologizes in person or (if the woman does not wish to meet him – which wouldn’t be surprising) then in writing.
Just be very calm and very clear about the fact that “send her home” is grossly offensive and will not be tolerated.
If other people won’t do this with you then you will have to do it alone. However, it will be the right thing to do. It is worth remembering that:
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men [or women] to do nothing.” – Edmund Burke.
Post # 43
they were born HERE. They are assuming they weren’t born here because of their race
Post # 44
No one is telling Melania to go back. The ignorance is just disgusting
Post # 45
yes, Trump has mentioned names. The “Send Her Back” chant at his rally was directed at Congresswoman Ilhan Omar, who is a naturalized citizen. The Congresswoman arrived in the US from Somalia as a refugee at the age of 10. He has used similar language to attack her on a Twitter too (including “Love it (America) or Leave it” and “go back to the crime infested places from which they came.”) and included three other Congresswomen in those Twitter attacks: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts and Rashida Tlaib of Michigan. All three of them were born here in the US but they have funny-sounding names, accents and brown/black skin so you can draw some conclusions pretty easily, I think. Nobody is directing that message at Ted Cruz, Mark Meadows or Tom Malinowski, who were all born overseas and are white.