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Horseradish :  hell some wanted Cruz as president while lamenting about President Obama being illegal for being born in Kenya or some bullshit

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Do you know who are too easily offended these days? 

The right wing bigots who get all butt hurt because their racist/ homophobic/transphobic/misogynist or xenophobic  ‘joke’ was called out. They’re so used to being on an unequal playing field skewed in their favour that they don’t know how to deal with being expected to play fairly, to abide by rules of decency. So they attempt to make it a weakness of their targets, ‘special snowflakes’ who can’t take a ‘joke’. 

Fuck them, I’ll call them out every single time. If I don’t I’ll lose self respect. Silence only empowers the bullies, never the targeted victims. 

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I was born in the US, the child of Asian Indian immigrants. I’ve been told on numerous occasions “go back where you cane from.” Not a single person saying it to me meant it as a joke. I don’t know what’s more offensive, people actually saying that to me or people engaging in mental and linguistic gymnastics in order to defend what those people said. 

Incidentally, I’ve also been complimented on how well I speak English. That threw me for a loop and irritated me. And there’s the continual question, “Where are you from?” When I say the state I was born in, inevitably I am told, “No, where are you really from?” That’s not ok either.

My ex-husband was an immigrant from Canada. He was white. He never had to deal with any of these things. I wonder why…

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My best friend was Vietnamese, born in the US. Parents born in the US. In school, when she got bullied, the go to insult was ALWAYS something about her being “Asian”, “Chinese” or something along the lines of “why don’t you just go back to where you came from?” And of course, you had the classic “Ching Chong” while pulling their eyes back. Those comments really affected her. Even though she had strong ties to her Vietnamese background, her parents encouraged her to also become Americanized out of fear. She never felt like she fit in anywhere. She got caught in the cycle of not being Vietnamese enough for the Vietnamese and not being American enough for the Americans. She became really depressed because of her conflicting identities and never quiet identified as American or Vietnamese. The amount of time I heard this young girl say “I wish I was white” as a child was really heartbreaking. 

If she were still alive, I know she’d Be struggling even more so now. It’s not a matter of “getting easily offended”, it’s someone’s identity. It’s someone’s existence. It’s something about someone THEY LITERALLY CANNOT CHANGE.  If you choose to use those things against someone as an insult or a joke, you’re an asshole. 

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100% the comment made was racist and uneeded and unecessary. While yes, I am a white, American female, I also know my ancestor’s came from other countries. I am a very proud American (not to be totally “yee yee” super patriotic, LOL) and it does suck to see people of different races treated SO differently, immigrants or not. I couldn’t imagine how it would feel to have the “go back where you came from” remarks made at me, how damaging that would be to ones mental health or the emotional impact whether it was a one-off remark or consistent bullying. 

That being said, what is wrong with Trump not wanting illegal immigrants coming into our country? Or refugee’s for that matter who could also be considered “illegal” due to lack of proper paperwork, etc? Just a question for discussion.

I personally don’t see how he is wrong for sending people back to their country or refusing people at borders who are trying to enter the country illegally when there are people  (perhaps like the people OP mentioned) who have worked hard to immigrate LEGALLY into this country, maybe even with their entire family or maybe as an individual, who knows, and jumped through hoops to be a legal citizen. 

This is a crazy, sometimes (often) sad world we live in… I love the country but the racism, unfairness, and so much more definitely has me shaking my head at times and while the current president does play a role in some of it, its also just society in general. 

 

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kmbumbee190618 :  It’s wrong because it shouldn’t be that hard to come here legally. The people who need to get out so desperately that they’re willing to risk their lives to cross the border illegally do not have the time to wait years for paperwork – and yes, more often than not it does take years.

So let’s just make it easier to go through the proper channels so people don’t have to risk their lives for a chance at survival and a better life, as opposed to cracking down on “illegals” and trying to send people back where they came from.

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chelbell23 :  I think you hit the nail on the head. I agree it should be easier to come into the country and obtain what its needed to be a legal citizen, but its going to take a long time, a different president, and who knows what else for that to change, right? So why not focus on the ones who are here in the process of becoming a legal citizen and be firm with the others trying to do it illegally? Just asking! 

Its terrible what people do to make a better life, and we don’t make it easier BUT the law is the law and there are rules to enforce. It is a CHOICE to put your life and your family at risk to cross into the country, fly in or whatever means. Its not like Trump or Obama or Hillary or myself are forcing those people to put their lives at risk to come into the country.

I kind of see it as someone who is trying to jump a long waiting line… like there are people who have been standing for a long time trying to do everything right and then we have people who try to come in and get to the front of the line? That’s not okay. It seems to have become the norm to trea the ones who try to do it the right way like shit and walk all over them while giving a gold star to the ones who try to do it illegally. 

ETA: I absolutely emphasize for those who try their damdest to come to this country to make a better life. I’m not a cold-hearted person, I’m just asking this as a little debate. I WISH things were easier for immigrants, truly, because I couldn’t fathom going through what they go through. 

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kmbumbee190618 :  There’s a process to being accepted into the United States as a refugee, or by seeking asylum. It’s not illegal.

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melihbee :  It’s racist because the four Congresseomen are FROM HERE (one person immigrated) and he wouldn’t have said it to four white women. That’s why. How would you like to be told to go back? 

 

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kmbumbee190618 :  

“That being said, what is wrong with Trump not wanting illegal immigrants coming into our country? Or refugee’s for that matter who could also be considered “illegal” due to lack of proper paperwork, etc? Just a question for discussion.”

No one wants people to enter the country illegally, so let’s just put that idea to rest right now. Trump isn’t the only politician who is against illegal immigration, no matter how many times he tells you he is.  Some of the many things wrong with his policies, though, include no path to legality for people who are already here (did you know that if you came over legally under protected status– people fleeing from the war in El Salvador, for example– there is no legal mechanism for converting your status to a standard legal permanent resident?); no attempt to actually address the barriers to legal immigration (and there are many, especially if you come from a place like Haiti or Venezuela where paper records may be hard to come by right now); and his constant stoking of anti-immigrant rhetoric is unkind and anti-american. 

 

“I personally don’t see how he is wrong for sending people back to their country or refusing people at borders who are trying to enter the country illegally when there are people  (perhaps like the people OP mentioned) who have worked hard to immigrate LEGALLY into this country, maybe even with their entire family or maybe as an individual, who knows, and jumped through hoops to be a legal citizen.”

Firstly, it is ABSOLUTELY 100% LEGAL to present yourself at our border and request aslyum. We have immigration courts specifically for this purpose. Trump is detaining these people before they get a chance to have their hearings. That’s not just un-American and un-Constitutional, it’s against multiple international treaties and laws.

FWIW I am married to a naturalized citizen and he does not believe that people who enter the country as refugees, asylees or even completely undocumented in any way takes away from his citizenship. He’s not resentful of them. He’s not jealous. He’s grateful that it was relatively easy for him to emigrate. He was able to afford the filing fees and do the paperwork in his native language, and he came from a country with modern record-keeping systems so it wasn’t too hard to get the supporting documents. So let’s stop acting like people who follow the standard immigration process are somehow being slighted by people who follow a different process (or no process at all).

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BookishBee :  Thanks for the information. I’m pretty un-informed when it comes to refugess and quite frankly, immigration as well. I’ve never had to go through it nor am I closely related to it in any way. 

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sweatergal007 :  he sure as hell doesn’t say it to his wife… or his ex wife… or his parents…

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kmbumbee190618 :  “I kind of see it as someone who is trying to jump a long waiting line… like there are people who have been standing for a long time trying to do everything right and then we have people who try to come in and get to the front of the line? That’s not okay. It seems to have become the norm to trea the ones who try to do it the right way like shit and walk all over them while giving a gold star to the ones who try to do it illegally.”

You have a lot of fundamental misunderstandings of how our immigration process works, and I’m not even sure what “gold star” any illegal immigrants are getting, so you’re just going to have to clue me in on that.

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Horseradish :  You make great points and like I said, I’m very unfamiliar with asylum laws, immigration, etc. With the political climate I know I should inform myself more about it and I probably will, I was simply just asking a question for discussion! 

If I’m also being honest, I try not to keep up with a lot of political news because it does hurt my heart and disgust me that Trump does detain people (those seeking asylym and who knows what else) with no good cause and the conditions are terrible. 

I’m absolutely not meaning to offend you at all, I just want to have a conversation about the topic and very obviously, learn more as I’m quite oblivious. From my perspective, the giving them a gold star or gold sticker was simply referring to coming into the country illegally. We have people going through the appropriate and legal processes to become a citizen, they come here legally, get into the country legally, etc and I’m sure some are probably going through difficulties obtaining what they need to (i.e. affording some filings or whatnot). Then, you have those who enter the country illegally via sneaking through a border or whatever it may be who seem to magically get by and it seems like in no time they are a citizen all the while, some people are still waiting months, even years for that. So I do apologize that the gold star sticker anaology didn’t make any sense. 

All of this is coming from WAY outside speculation, like 10000 times removed from anything related to immigration or asylum or citizenship or whatever and I do feel so stupid for being so naive on the subject, but quite frankly I’ve never had to worry about it on a personal level. 

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kmbumbee190618 :  You’re welcome!

I wish the United States had a private sponsorship system for refugees like Canada has. In Canada, a group of regular people (church group, coworkers, etc.) can raise funds and apply to sponsor a refugee family by proving accommodations, support, etc. for a certain period of time. It helps the refugees get adjusted to the new country much more quickly and effectively, and it also lets regular citizens get invested in helping. At one point there were lots of complaints that the government wasn’t letting in refugees quickly enough; the number of Canadians who wanted to help was far outpacing the government’s processing speed.

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