"Send her back!"

posted 9 months ago in Emotional
Post # 61
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Busy Beekeeper
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kmbumbee190618 :  People who enter the country illegally do not “magically” become citizens. With very few exceptions, people who enter the country illegally NEVER become citizens. 

To become a citizen, you must first be a permanent resident alien (aka “green card” even though the card itself is pink) for 2 years.

To become a permanent resident alien, you must apply for residency. The application MUST be filed at the US Embassy or Consulate in your home country. If you are already here, you cannot apply for residency.  To apply for residency, you need to show proof of identity, proof of eligibility (i.e. no felonies on your record), and proof that you can support yourself, which could be an American sponsor or could be your own savings.  Work permits are a separate process and not guaranteed with your residency.

The “gold star” people get when they come here illegally is usually a life in the shadows. You can’t open a bank account because you don’t have a SSN. You have to find a job where you’ll get paid in cash under the table, and those jobs tend to be hard work for little pay. If you get robbed, you probably won’t go to the police. If your husband beats you, you probably won’t go to the police. You’re working under the table so that means a reputable landlord won’t rent to you.  For most folks, it’s a really difficult life, and one that’s only chosen out of desperation. 

 

Post # 62
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Bumble bee
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kmbumbee190618 :  I also want to say, I think it’s great that you’re asking these questions in order to get more informed. There would definitely be less tension about letting in refugees etc. if the government could speed up the processing of regular immigrants, so those going the traditional route wouldn’t feel so much frustration about their wait times.

That said, I imagine the situation in, say, a crowded emergency room. Everyone has been waiting there a while; some people have broken arms, etc. But then someone else comes in who’s having a heart attack, and they’re going to die if they don’t get treatment immediately. So the person with the broken arm has to wait a little while longer. But that’s okay, because the heart attack victim needed help more urgently.

Or even if you’re just in a long bathroom line, and then a woman comes up with a young child who’s doing a pee-pee dance. And you let the kid go in front of you, because they need it more.

Basically, I don’t think it’s automatically a problem to move urgent cases to the front of the line. We just have to make sure the line as a whole keeps moving at a decent pace for everyone.

Post # 63
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BookishBee :  Seems like something the US would benefit from greatly, but let’s be honest…. do we see that happening based on who our country is currently run by? I did vote for Trump, but I don’t understand why is he SO against allowing people in who want to do it correctly. Refugess for example… I mean how many people are trying to enter the country and are so willing to work for the jobs that (some) lazy American’s don’t want or look down on. (I realize that’s a very generalized statement, BUT there is also some truth and I’m guilty of being a “lazy” American). 

Its pretty sad that those who are visibily different than your sterotypical USA citizen are the ones who are told “go back to your own country” when they’ve probably lived here their entire life and are a legal citizen regardless if they were born here, went through the paperwork, etc. 

Post # 64
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Busy bee
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Horseradish :  I’m not intentionally trying to argue with you, just trying to hold a conversation (one that I’m learning a lot from, may I add…) so I don’t understand the need to be so harsh towards me. I’ve already apologized for my anaologies coming across blatantly wrong or misconstrued. You’ve provided a lot of informative facts that I appreciate you taking the time to type out, but you could definitely come off a little nicer about it. Geez… I seriously am just asking questions and fully admitting I don’t know a lot about the overall issue that this thread is pointed towards. 

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BookishBee :  VERY great way of putting it that makes a ton of sense. Its just unfortunate that I don’t think the current president sees it like that. 

Post # 65
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Bumble bee
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kmbumbee190618 :  No, not immediately, but maybe in the future—any sort of new immigration program would take time to set up anyway. I agree with you about immigrants being willing to do a lot of jobs that Americans won’t.

I don’t think Trump personally cares about a lot of the stuff he says; I think he says it because he knows it appeals to a certain group of voters. And there are two types of voters who want to hear those things: some people really think they’re going to lose their job to an immigrant, and some people are just flat-out racist.

Post # 66
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kmbumbee190618 :  the reason why Trump is against letting people in who want to do it correctly and legally is because they are not white. He has said as much — that he wants to encourage more immigration from Europe and less from “shithole” countries. 

I don’t think that’s why all people who are against immigration reform are. I think that’s specifically why he is. Even if his colleagues and supporters aren’t racist, he is pretty blatant with it. 

Post # 67
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Busy Beekeeper
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kmbumbee190618 :  I’m not being harsh, but I am being very blunt. It’s very frustrating when people don’t do even basic research on such big, important topics. 

Post # 68
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Blushing bee
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kmbumbee190618 :  The issue with the illegal immigration and the crisis at the border is that 95% of the people claiming “Asylum” do not qualify for asylum.  Before, they would come, claim aslyum, be given a court date, let into the country and never show up to their court date.  Right now there are idiots on both sides of the isle not doing anything but whining and complaining about each other.  People need to say enough is enough and get to work to fix the issues.  Immigration needs fixed ASAP.  I like the idea that people should start the asylum process in their home country and when/if it is approved then they come here.  

The other thing that irritates me to no end is all the people on both sides who are so freaking childish to say “All Trump supporters are bigots” or “All Hillary supporters are criminals”.  So are you seriously telling me that your BFF of 30 years who you love and care about more than anything tells you they support Trump you are going to drop them?  How stupid is that.   The continued whining and complaining about the election is tired.  Get over it already.  

The issues with the US are large.  There is no way we can have universal healthcare.  The reason it works in Austrailia, England, Canada is their population is FAR less.  The US has about 325 MILLION people, out of which about ony 40% work.  Saying to tax companies will send them back out of the country. Tax the rich, well the top 10% pay 90% of ALL TAXES.  Tax them more, they will take their money and leave.  

Many people are so quick to say “Oh I wouldn’t mind paying more to make sure the less fortunate have healthcare”.  You say that now, but the reality is that is not the case.  Over the weekend our school soccer teams were announced and we are self funded.  We have spirit fees that we collect to pay for uniforms and such.  We asked for all families to pay their spirit fee and to pay more to help those who couldn’t pay.  We have LOTS, probably 60% or so, very vocal liberal families, and you want to know how many paid more?  NONE.  Sure you will pay more to help until you see how much your taxes go up.  My insurance runs me about $1,600 a year in premiums for my family.  I have amazing helathcare thorough my job. No deductables. $10 copays.  Raising my or other people like me taxes to 7 or 8 thousand a year to cover universal healthcare would throw this country into a civil war.  

Basically, people both on the left and the right need to grow up, put their big boy/girl pants on and fix the issues.  

Post # 69
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Bee Keeper
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justanormalgal :  are you saying that we have a 60% unemployment rate? Or are you including children and retirees in your 60% of people that are not working?

Post # 70
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justanormalgal :  actually the top 10% only paid around 70% of the taxes in 2018. But they should be paying more especially given that they own 85% of the wealth

Edit: wrong numbers. Sorry

Post # 71
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Bumble bee
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justanormalgal :  Of course the US could have universal healthcare. The fact that there are more people means there’s more money available to spend on it. It’s the per capita cost that matters, not the total cost. If anything, a larger population allows for more efficiencies of scale and more negotiating power when it comes to working out pricing with pharmaceutical companies, etc. Look at the cost of insulin: busloads of people cross the border to Canada to buy it where it’s more affordable.

I’ve lived in both Canada and the US, and I absolutely prefer to pay higher taxes in order to have healthcare coverage. It’s not just for other people, either. Universal healthcare creates peace of mind for yourself. You don’t need to worry about what will happen if you lose your job or are no longer able to work. (For that matter, you have the freedom to choose or change jobs based on what’s most rewarding as a career, rather than worrying about healthcare.) You can retire early if you want. You don’t need to worry about what will happen if someone in your immediate family gets sick. My father in Canada was recently in the hospital for 6.5 weeks—the cost was $0. I don’t even want to imagine what we would have paid if it had been one of my husband’s (American) parents.

No matter how good your employer health plan is, it can disappear in a moment. Not needing to rely on your employer for healthcare creates a much greater sense of freedom.

Post # 72
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Blushing bee
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Sansa85 :  60% children, elderly and disabled that do not work.  So 60% that don’t pay taxes but would have their healthcare paid for.  

Post # 73
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justanormalgal :  I’m getting lost in all of your percentages and dollar amounts trying to see where you’re getting that number from.

And why wouldn’t we be able to take the premiums that we pay now and put them into insurance on a larger scale? Isn’t insurance socialized on a smaller scale anyway? You put your money into one large bucket and it’s distributed among members as it’s needed?

And the goal of requiring people to carry health insurance was to make it less expensive. The more people who are covered, the less health care will cost. So I’m not sure how you know you will be paying $8k more a year for universal healthcare

Post # 74
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BookishBee :  I work in healthcare so my employment is pretty secure.  I can find a job anywhere.  I do not want my taxes to go up more than I already pay, which is astronimical.  My entire family, with office visits paid about $2,000 total, with annual premium at the doctor last year.  Raise my taxes $8,000 that is $ 6,000 I have to pay for what?  It isn’t right.  

Post # 75
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justanormalgal :  and you have a problem with disabled, elderly and children being covered?

I mean… they already are, retirees PAID into social security so they EARNED that coverage. Children are covered by government programs if their parents can’t cover them, and people collect disability. Why does your 60% figure count against socialized healthcare when they are already covered?

Are you suggesting that we don’t cover them?

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