Post # 17
whoooa id be freaking out if a jeweler told me ‘maybe it got switched out.’ that is y i am perfectly happy with my stone even tho others would think its a big piece of crap. at least i know its MY piece of crap.
Post # 18
Thanks for all the input! We did take it to Kay to have it plated, and they somehow managed to screw that up too. The sides of my band used to be completely flat on every surface, but now you can see that they’re a bit rounded, and bend the light/reflections a lot more. I’d love to tell them to get lost & never touch my ring again, but I want them to make it right first!
The thing that really bugs me is with how big the carbon spot is, there’s no way I just wouldn’t have noticed it before, unless they for some unknown reason took my diamond out while re-plating. I mean, if it shows up in a cell phone pic, that’s fairly visible, right?
The biggest black spec is right by the prong on the lower left.
Post # 19
I do see it…..and yes, if it was there all the time I can’t imagine you wouldn’t have seen it before. Well, for sure follow up with them and get it figured out, something doesn’t seem right.
Post # 20
- Wedding: May 2013 - Pavilion overlooking golf course scenery, reception at banquet hall
Is your stone GIA certified? Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe that the GIA laser-engraves a serial number on all the diamonds it grades (and if they do, I’m sure the AGS does as well. Not sure about EGL). Maybe check your paperwork and see if a jeweler can check under a microscope for you?
And yes, SI2 can include visible inclusions. It is very close to a prong, do you think they could reposition the stone to hide it behind the prong?
Post # 21
Did the diamond come with a certificate when it was purchased? Was there an appraisal done? Is it insured? If you have any of these documents they should have a map of the inclusions on the diamond. Almost like a fingerprint of the diamond.
Post # 22
@scottyco: The only thing I can think is that they had to take it out of the setting to place it and originally the inclusion had been under a prong and now it isn’t. I don’t know how plating works, but to me it would make sense if they had to take it out.
Post # 23
We do have all the certification/insurance paperwork that it came with. I don’t see an inclusion map anywhere in there though. We’re going to start by taking all of that back to Kay’s with us & having them make sure it’s the same diamond, becuase the sales lady there told us that for their diamonds, anything SI2 or better shouldn’t be visible with the naked eye.
Post # 24
@scottyco: is it laser inscribed or anything? I would be a bit wary of Kays also, they have a lot of horror stories on here.
Post # 25
With a reputable certification (GIA or AGS), there should have been an inclusion map included with the certification. That’s standard procedure. If it came with just a card stating its supposed ratings, that isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on. Your best bet is to have the laser inscription checked to make sure it is your stone.
As for visible inclusions, yes, SI grades can have them. Not all do, but there is a reason a stone is ranked SI 1 or VS2 or whatever. If they all looked the same, there wouldn’t be different grades, and the inclusions in an SI grade MAY be visible or MAY affect light-play. That’s the nature of the grade, and that’s not to say they can’t be beautiful, but they aren’t all eye-clean.
I’d hesitate to take it back to someplace I couldn’t trust. I’d pay more to have a reputable jeweler check the inscription and clean up after the mess Kay’s made.
Post # 26
I don’t know anything about rhodium plating, but in addition to the issues with your diamond, I think it’s fishy that the shape of your ring is dfferent. If Kay looks at your paperwork and says that the diamond you bought is the one in your ring, then I would get a second opinion at a non-Kay store.
Post # 27
@scottyco: Rhodium plating isn’t like dipping a strawberry in chocolate, the actual layer is microns thin. The ring is first steam cleaned, hung on a hook and dipped into rhodium solution. The ring is charged one way, and the solution is charged the other way, so the solution ‘sticks’ to the ring. Your ring shouldn’t have changed shape at all.
Considering you didn’t notice those spots before, it’s possible (and most likely) those black spots could be bits of polishing compound that wasn’t removed properly before giving the ring back. Normally, the ring is put in an ultrasonic cleaner before it’s given back, but sometimes the polishing compound is stubborn.
Go to a third party jeweler and ask them to check the serial number on the diamond to make sure it wasn’t swapped. Swapping is considered pretty rare though, so I wouldn’t be too worried just yet. Then ask for a thorough cleaning and see whether the black spots go away.
To answer the original question though, I frown at any jeweler who says you shouldn’t see any inclusions in an SI2 stone. The term ‘eye clean’ is used far too often. Vendors have different definitions as to what ‘eye clean’ is, the most common one is viewing the diamond from 10 inches, face up position only. But when a customer hears eye clean, they think it’s completely eye clean from all sides and distances. I don’t believe Kays uses GIA/AGS certifications, so their SI2 grade parameters could be well off GIA/AGS tolerances.
Post # 28
I have a SI2. I cannot see any inclusions. It’s not unheard of that they might have some. talk to someone about the switching. That’s not ok