Post # 1
I saw another post about a bee that knew someone that was using others’ photos of cakes for her business. Which lead me to ask about this situation.
One of my friends back home was recently talking to me about her neighbor “Ann” that has a home based cake business with her mom. My friend used to be friends with Ann but they had a falling out…not sure why nor do I care.
Anyways, Ann and my friend live in a neighborhood that has a homeowners’ association. Years ago, the HOA decided that it was against the bylaws to have a home based business. My friend was a daycare provider and had to shut down her business or move which wasn’t an option…so she just became a SAHM.
Ann and her mom bake cakes and sell them from her house (sometimes they bake at the mother’s house.) She quit her good paying job to start up this business and it’s going well. She has a FB page and everything.
My friend asked me if she should report Ann b/c what she is doing is illegal. BTW, Ann has many customers, some are individuals and some are businesses. I told her that it seemed a little petty to do that but then she found out that in our city it is ILLEGAL to make food and sell out of your home for health and sanitary reasons.
I’m assuming that since Ann has so many repeat customers that nobody has had a problem with her doing this and that nobody has gotten sick but I still don’t know if it’s right for my GF to file a complaint.
What do you think?
Post # 3
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I wouldn’t because it’s not worth the drama that might ensue with the neighbor. Also, the neighbor could easily argue that she is only providing cakes to friends and family and not truly running a business. It sounds liek your friends is more upset that her at-home daycare business got shut down and wants to retaliate on someone to even the score. Unless your friend is planning on moving in the near future, I wouldn’t rile up the neighbor.
Post # 4
i don’t personally feel the need to report crimes like that. maybe that makes me terrible i dont know, but if it doestn involve violence or robbery i keep my nose out of it
it doesnt sound like youre friend is worried for the people buying the cakes, its more “well i lost my business so why shouldnt she lose hers” in which case it seems a bit petty
Post # 5
No since she’s not going to report it out of concern for the public, she’s goo g to report bc she is mad she lost her business.
Post # 6
No, it’s not right. She definitely shouldn’t report.
Post # 7
@texasbee: seems a little petty. I wouldn’t.
Post # 8
I think your friend is just trying to be a bitch to “Ann”, because she doesn’t like her.
Post # 9
Do you know for sure that it’s ALWAYS illegal to do it out of your home? Here you can do it if you have a separate kitchen and meet certain licensing criteria. From some quick research it seems as though most areas allow things to be baked in the home if they have a commercial kitchen. So that right there could be a problem if your friend doesn’t know for sure if she does in fact have a commercial kitchen.
Post # 10
I wouldn’t feel good about being responsible for someone losing their job or getting into legal trouble when their actions haven’t hurt anyone.
If your friend is concerned for the right reasons, she would talk to Ann (or send an anonymous note) to explain the legal status of her actions and recommend that she invest in a real store since business is going well.
Post # 11
I vote no. And I hope that she can get the rules changed with the homeowner’s association. There may be other working moms in the neighborhood who may love the idea of taking their child to a neighbor for daycare. I wouldn’t like if we found a reliable person to watch our child and then had to find someone else because a homeowner’s association, of all things, said no.
Post # 12
@MrsBeck: In our county, it stated it on the website that it is illegal to use your personal residence as a home based business for FOOD/DRINKS not anything else. We know that Ann doesn’t have a commercial kitchen since she has pics of the cakes taken in her kitchen.
The HOA changed the bylaws almost 9 years ago. It took a year for them to shut down all the home businesses. Ann didn’t move in until 4 years ago and didn’t make it her FT job until 2 years ago….according to her FB page. So I wasn’t thinking my friend was being petty b/c she lost her own business 7 years ago….I was thinking it was more b/c she isn’t friends w/her anymore.
I told my friend that MY concern was (being a former auditor) that since she can’t be a registered home business, that she’s not paying taxes on it all. She averages about 75 orders a month based on her FB page. And I know how much she made at her previous job (had many friends there myself) so it must be a lot to up and quit a job w/great benefits.
I don’t know if my friend realizes the shit storm that will rain down if she reported it. This woman and her husband and 2 kids could get kicked out of the neighborhood, she could have her business shut down and not allowed to apply for a commercial food license for a certain length of time, or worse if the state thinks they were screwed over from her not paying taxes, those fines are pretty hefty.
Maybe I should just tell her to let it be as Ann has a pretty prominent following on her FB page and her business is bound to be questioned sooner or later.
Post # 13
@EastMeetsBarn: YES…I wish their HOA would change the bylaws. There were MANY businesses that were shut down. The houses have bigger lots so they have the capability to use them.
There were several home day cares, a dog kennel, a couple of landscaping businesses, a home stereo/electronics installer, and a couple that used to grow their own vegetables and sell them.
The neighborhood has been a very sought after one for decades but nobody ever moved until they shut down all the businesses….then houses were available. It was actually my dream neighborhood and then I moved out of state.
Post # 14
@texasbee: In that case I would report her. I don’t think it’s petty and I know other PPs have said to mind your own business but I would report her because I would be concerned about other’s safety. If there was some kind of outbreak or people got sick I would feel terrible knowing that I could have stepped in and prevented that.
ETA: Reading about all of the negative that could happen to “Ann”- perhaps your friend should speak to her first? This is a tough situation. I would hate for people to get sick but I would also hate for her to lose her house and business.
Post # 15
While your friend’s neighbor seems to be taking some huge risks in 1) quiting her good job, 2) running an illegal business from her home, 3) having evidence of it posted online — those are her risks to take. Obviously she knows that at any time she could get in trouble and have her business shut down — but I think it would be rather cruel to report her. She might eventually run into trouble but I also believe in karma and someimes it’s just best to let things run their own course without getting involved. Besides, she is not hurting anyone and seems to be running a successful business. If she isn’t paying taxes, that may eventually come back to bite your friend’s neighbor in the butt without any of your friend’s interference.
Post # 16
Why exactly can your friend not mind her own business? Unless this is directly impacting her in some way, she should stay out of it. It seems petty and cruel to take away someone’s livelihood just because you can.