(Closed) Sickened, but not by the virus

posted 4 months ago in Beehive
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Bumble Beekeeper
  • Wedding: October 2014

One of the unexpected outcomes of the virus is going to be a complete re-thinking of our socioeconomic system. The current GOP has burned their party to the ground and over the next few months  it will become career suicide to stand with trump. The damage is already done and will take generations to undo, but if we don’t walk out of this disaster with universal health care, unionized gig economy workers and a stronger social safety net, then we deserve to burn with the GOP. 

Post # 3
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Buzzing bee

Preach. The hypocrisy is so sickening. 

Post # 4
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Buzzing bee

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sunburn :  I have nothing constructive to add, but wanted to at least stand in solidarity with you about despising Republicans for the very reasons you listed in your OP. Regardless of if you’re a “good” republican and don’t believe in any of that treatment of others, you donate to charity, you’re “not racist” (lol), believe in women’s rights, and you believe people > economy, making an informed decision to vote for someone who makes policies against ALL of those values automatically cancels all those good beliefs.

And I hope that all educated republicans are now reflecting upon their decisions with the knowledge that, had we elected a competent leader, we likely wouldn’t be in this shitstorm right now. Trump’s failure to act and failure to acknowledge the REAL THREAT before it was too late played a major role in how this situation will end. 

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Busy bee

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happiekrappie :  I don’t know, virtually all governments of differing types worldwide have done a pisspoor job of handling this. We AlL should have shut borders much earlier and none of this would be happening (throughout the world). Trump is no anomaly in that sense.

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Buzzing bee

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Brideordie : While your point is not totally incorrect, I honestly don’t think there’s any benefit in deflecting the conversation to being about countries other than th US, since that’s where the OP lives, and the conversation the OP was trying to start.

You’re absolutely right–other countries probably could’ve handled things better as well, but we’re more so focused on decisions that were preventable on an ordinary-citizen level (4 years ago) that led to the current circumstances specifically within the US. 

Post # 7
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Busy Beekeeper
  • Wedding: February 1997

I very much agree that if this doesn’t make people realize we need universal, single payer healthcare and a big change in the economy, nothing will. It just blows my mind that this is what people CHOSE for government. As they say, we get the leadership we deserve…

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Bumble bee

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sunburn :  Nothing to add except applause. Well said, and it’s time we all made our opposition to this farce of a government heard. It’s stomach-turning.  

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Sugar bee

Did you tell her about the small business grant? 

Post # 10
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Blushing bee

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Brideordie :  “Virtually all” governments have not done a poor job of doing what they can to combat this virus. Even nations as small as Tuvalu have take a proactive rather than delayed-reactive stance toward this virus. It’s embarrassing for a wealthy, first-world nation to act such as the US has done. Also embarrassing is the widely-spread rhetoric in this country that this is equal to the flu. 

Post # 11
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Buzzing bee

I’ve noticed a telling shift in rhetoric from Trump supporters in the last few days. Before, they were defending his handling of the pandemic tooth and nail. Now, I’m hearing a lot of “well it’s not right to criticize anything that’s being done while we’re in the middle of this! We should be focusing on a solution, not casting blame!” …as though we can’t walk and chew gum at the same time. And lol at the idea of any of them having that attitude if a Democrat was in the Oval Office.

I think the response of the governors of Georgia, FL, and other republican states says a LOT about how damaging Trump’s downplaying of the virus has been. When asked why he waited until this week to issue a stay at home order, Gov. DeSantis of FL cited Trumps change in “demeanor” in the last few days as his reason. In other words the president’s facial expressions and tone of voice carry more weight with DeSantis than the advice from medical experts. And people will die for that.

Then there’s GA’s idiot governor who on live television stated that he had JUST been informed 24 hours ago that asymptomatic people can be contagious, and that’s why he waited until now to issue a stay at home order. Never mind that Fauci and Dr Deborah Birx literally talk about that almost every fucking day in the task force meetings. Not to mention that the CDC, which by the way is LOCATED IN GEORGIA, has been warning about that for over a month. When I mentioned this to my republican mother, she said “well he gets his advice from local public health experts, not the federal govt, and maybe one of them dropped the ball – it might not be his fault that he didnt know this.” I said, “shouldn’t the buck stop with the governor? If I can understand from spending 2 minutes readng the news that coronavirus is being transmitted from asymptomatic patients, the governor who is in charge of his state’s response to the virus isn’t expected to grasp that fact? What happened to taking responsibility?” It’s so maddening.

But yeah let’s not talk about any of that stuff – let’s not hold our leaders accountable at all. Makes total sense.

Post # 12
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Bumble Beekeeper
  • Wedding: October 2014

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Brideordie :  Singapore, South Korea, Iceland, Germany, Spain, and France are just a few of the countries that are handling this outbreak reasonably well (or better). Do not minimize just how badly Trump is handling this. 

Post # 13
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: May 2019

It’s a really ugly trend in human history that when things get bad, people look for an easy scapegoat to blame things on. The Holocaust very likely would not have happened if there hadn’t been huge economic problems in Germany, which the Nazi party was able to successful to the Jewish population in the public imagination. And that’s just one particularly prominent example of a much older trend.

On the bright side though, as my mother loves to say, where there’s life there’s hope. I’m a visible foreigner in my country of residence. And I was nervous that people would begin to treat me differently once the epicenters of this disease moved to the west. But it’s been exactly the opposite. People contact me to make sure I can understand the advice the government is giving out. Colleagues took me to buy masks until I understood the rationing system. I have a group of colleagues who make a point of translating the CDC announcements for me every day, since the English translations aren’t out until six hours after the Chinese ones, and they know that waiting stresses me out. At a time when people could be justified in wanting to just look after themselves and their own, they’re extending a hand.

It’s a chance to be the change you want to see. If you know someone who is likely to be a target in your community, check in on them. I’m sure the bakery owner was really grateful for your daughter’s support at this time. The little things can make such a huge difference.

ETA: I also want to give a huge shout-out to how well the government here in Taiwan has handled things so far. We were predicted, when this first started, to end up with the second largest outbreak after China. To this day, we have under 400 cases nationwide. That was never going to be realistic for the US – we’re an island with limited ports of entry, which helped a lot. But we’re also excluded from the WHO and have far fewer resources. I can’t help but feel that if Tsai was able to mitigate things to this extent in essential political isolation then US leadership could have done a better job with all its advantages.

Post # 15
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: April 2021

I’ll be honest, posts like this are the reason why I am uncomfortable on the Bee. [Moderated]

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