(Closed) Simulated diamonds

posted 6 years ago in Rings
Post # 3
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: June 2014

I could be totally wrong, but I could swear I read something somewhere that Diamond Nexus really just sells CZs, but pretends that they are not CZs. I would just google “Diamond Nexus Reviews” and see what you can find out.

I also know that WB is full of people with mossanite rings, which is it’s own white stone, and while it doesn’t look exactly like a diamond (usually warmer and more sparkly) they are still quite lovely and cost a lot less. So maybe peruse the boards to see what other people think of their mossanite rings and see if that’s something you would be interested in.

Post # 4
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: May 2007

@rosebud26:  

Have you looked into Asha stones or Wink CZ? I have read lots of not-so-great reviews on diamond Nexus, I don’t have one, so I don’t know for sure, just what I have read.

Post # 5
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: August 2015

I second PP’s. Diamond Nexus hasn’t gotten many great reviews around here.

I would also recommend Moissanite, Asha, or even white sapphire.

Post # 6
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: August 2013

Type “diamond nexus fraud” into Google.

If you’re looking for a long-lasting diamond simulant I’d recommend moissanite, white sapphire or Asha.

Post # 7
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: December 2013

@FionnaCake:  +1

There have been a ton of threads on this in the past. Basically DNL claims to sell something better than CZ but other companies have hired independent labs to test the stones and at the end of the day they are plain old CZ. If you want a high quality CZ I second the suggestion for Asha or Wink. Also if it’s a lab greated diamonds you wanted, they do exist and they are slightly cheaper than ones from nature, I would check out Gemesis or Brilliant Earth for those. 

Post # 8
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: August 1997

If I was going to get a sim, would get a moissanite. Here’s why. Long but bear with me.Smile

Both CZ(diamond nexus is a cubic zirconia, as is asha) and moissanite simulate diamonds. A diamond is a natural one of a kind stone formed billions of years below the earth. Both CZ and moissanite are man made in a lab -both occur naturally in nature but only in tiny minute amounts. Thus they’re replicated artificially in a lab. 

CZ, diamond nexus cz, asha cz have a tendency to cloud and scratch over time but has the ability to more accurately mimic a D colorless flawless diamond’s scintillation. Asha CZ are coated to be more resistant to clouding/scratching.  Moissanite will not cloud, is very hard like a diamond, but has double refractive properties (diff than a diamond) and is very sparkly and durable.  Color wise moissanite cannot mimic a D color diamond as even with the extra amora or forever brilliant treatment -it will only go as high as a near colorless (I or J -I think?)

Moissanite’s marketing has been phenomenal (as was CZ’s back in the day.) What’s not to love about a perfect sparkly cheaper man-made substitute to expensive high quality diamonds?

At this point in time, moissanite is quite a bit more expensive than CZ, as well as diamond nexus cz and asha cz.  There is a patent on moissanite in effect until 2015 which limits who can produce it. CZ was pricey initially back in the day too but the price came down as more and more came on the market. It is believed the price of moissanite will substantially drop as well, once the patent expires in 2015 and there is a surfeit of moissanite on the market.

All CZ (asha, diamond nexus included) and moissanite will “pass” as a diamond to the average person especially if they’re in an engagement type setting on one’s left hand and are not so big as to be unbelievable.Wink

The perception here  at the Bee of best to worst (the simulant hierachy if you will!) is as follows:  Amora moissanite, Forever Brilliant moissanite, moissanite, man made sapphire, Asha CZ, Diamond Nexus CZ, plain CZ . They are priced accordingly.

You can buy a moissanite ring in a gold setting on Shopnbc for $450, Jtv.com has a bunch as well, ebay is loaded with them too. CZ rings are even less.

Hope this was helpful to you. Good luck and congrats on your engagement and law school!

 

 

Post # 9
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: October 2013

My bet advise to you is set a budget first. Moissy will be most expensive, and honestly, a ice moissy ring can be as expensive as a small diamond ring, especially if you look on ebay. I would go for a regular, but really well cut plain Z in a small size (.75-1 ct ) ina really nice gold setting for the best price and most realistic look. Second would be a wink or asha in a smaller size, again in a nice setting. Later, you can replace the center stone with a diamond, or upgrade to a real diamond. I just dont think the asha is worth the price. I looked at them, and by the time you choose a larger stone and a nice setting, you can be looking at anything upwards of 700 to 2000. Searching ebay, you can find a smaller real diamond for that range. However, you can find a nice cz in gold for around 250-300. if you choose a regular cz, a few hours baking in the oven will warm it up color wise and deepen the look of the stone, taking away a lot of the “glassy” look.

 

This is just my opinion. If you are looking for a diamond eventually, then I would not spend on an asha or moissy. If you want a sim becasue you really want a sim, then absolutely, get one, but becasue you like it for what it is. The bigger the sim, the less believable it is. I really think a smaller cz looks pretty realistic.

 

Check diamond bistro…there is a 1.25 ct asha in gold for sale for under 300.00 and it looks very nice.

Post # 10
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: May 2014

How about lab created diamonds? Same chemical makeup as natural diamonds-they are actual diamonds, just grown in a lab over 100 hours instead of in the earth over millions of years.

Post # 11
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: August 2012

@Corgi-cariad:  Genuine lab created diamonds are just as expensive as mined diamonds, if not more so. A great suggestion for someone wanting sims for ethical reasons, not so great for the price-conscience! (:

 

@rosebud26:  I would not buy from Diamond Nexus for all the reasons listed above (and more). I can’t believe DNL is still in business, it’s a marvel! A high-quality CZ like ones you can get from Asha or Wink would probably be perfect for you. Also Ashadiamonds.com has a fantastic selection of settings, you might find something you like without needing to get it custom made. Alternatively, you might find a private gem cutter to source and cut a CZ. Before I settled on moissanite, I was corresponding with an expert gem cutter who was willing to cut CZ and guarentee its lifetime quality, even though he usually worked only with natural stones.

 

As to how it will look next to real diamonds in a setting, it will look great! Have you ever seen diamond rings in a shop? Chances are you were looking at a CZ center stone with diamond side stones. Apparently most jewellery stores in America use CZ to show off their settings and swap in the main diamond once you buy.

 

Post # 12
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: May 2014

@valintine:  oh really?!? Wow I had no idea! Going to go research to see how they justify it…!!!!

Post # 13
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: August 2012

@Corgi-cariad:  I know right?! I think people often assume man-made = cheap, if only that were true! I figure they justify it simply because they are DIAMONDS. I mean really, how can mined diamonds justify their price? Actually the high price makes more sense to me for lab diamonds than nautral diamonds…at least lab diamonds are genuinely hard to come by, and it took an enormous effort to produce gem-quality stones. I was waiting for YEARS and YEARS for Gemesis to create near-colorless diamonds, that’s why I’m so obsessed lol.

Post # 14
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: October 2013

@valintine:  I know the answer to that!  When my fiance was working on his master’s he wrote a paper on lab created diamonds because it was an interesting marketing/economic situation.  When they first came out they were actually significantly cheaper than diamonds, and no one was buying them.  Dropping the price more didn’t work, so they raised it and made them more expensive than mined diamonds.  And since they are expensive people now see them as “worth it” and like a real luxury good instead of a diamond cop-out. 

It amazes me how stupid people can be. 

Post # 15
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: August 2013

I do believe it has been proven that Diamond Nexus is CZ. If you’re set on a simulant instead of a .25 carat diamond than I would consider moissanite, Asha or white sapphire. White sapphire will last forever so you won’t have to upgrade to a diamond later, same with moissanite. However Asha is a high quality CZ and probably won’t last forever so you could either get a new stone in 2 – 5 years or upgrade to a diamond. 

Post # 16
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: August 1997

@BuBuBubbles:you said regarding  LAB made diamonds: “…since they are expensive people now see them as “worth it” and like a real luxury good instead of a diamond cop-out…It amazes me how stupid people can be. “

There is a similar principle in play with cz and moissanite.  both simulate diamonds, both are man made in a lab, really neither one is much better than the other, one lasts longer, one simulates a diamond better, yet moissanite is significantly more money than CZ. ..

Marketing! Look at all the falsehoods out there. They’re oft repeated here on the Bee. Diamond nexus is not cz, asha is covered with real diamond, moissanite is a gemstone in it’s own right like a saphhire or ruby. All false! It’s all marketing to make diamond alternatives/sims more attractive ie to sell more. Marketing works! Clearly works in the diamond industry and other genuine gemstone industries as well.Wink

 

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