(Closed) Since it's all about our bodies today let's discuss Maria Kang

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Post # 182
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Busy Beekeeper

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@sabby55:  ITA with your post #176. The level of project folks are doing on this lady is unreal. 

Post # 185
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Busy bee

She had her three kids and in that time decided to live a healthy life and get fit. The body she has is a product of determination and hard work.


and gentics. Hard work and genetics. Could we please at least agree to stop leaving that very important bit out of the equation.

I’m doing pretty great for almost 50. I look good, feel pretty good and so on. Fact is, I could be more dedicated and acheive a body pretty close to that but I will absolutely not look like that because of horrendous stretch marks. From having 2 kids in one year. I inherited my mother’s crappy stretchmark porpensity and no amount of ab crunches is going to produce a stomach like that. I will never look like that. 

So I do think it’s pretty shitty that she’s body-shaming (because that is exactly what she’s doing) not just women, but the double-whammy of body-shaming post-partum women who are most like struggling with a changed body that will never, ever, look like that again. And topping it off by telling them they have no excuse. We, as women, are very aware that some of us were genetically blessed to be stretchmark free and some of us weren’t. We deal. We accept. But to shove a photo like this in post-partum women’s faces and tell them there is no excuse for not looking like this is undeniably body-shaming, smug and self-serving.

As another poster mentioned, if her message is *you too can be fit* she could acheive that with a non-belly-baring shirt and a print-out of her actual physical fitness stats.

Is her message supposed to be *you can look like this too, despite having kids*, which is blatantly false or is her message supposed to be *you can be fit too, despite having kids*.
 
And finally, in my 50 years, I’ve seen plenty of women like this get cheated on or dumped by their husbands. Almost always for a much *plainer* and somewhat overweight woman. It happens and eluding to women that their husbnads wouldn’t stray if they just looked like fitness models is complete and utter bullshit.

Post # 186
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Busy bee

This picture annoys me because NOBODY NEEDS AN EXCUSE. We are all entitled to treat our bodies the way we see fit (healthy or not!) for our own particular situation. It’s not up to this woman to hold anyone accountable for the way they look (unless they are paying her to do so).

It also annoys me that this woman is just passively kneeling there in a bra and makeup. If she was doing something active, the message might be more uplifting, but just posing like a dope makes it clear that her message is all about looks, not health. There are lots of people who make an effort to eat well and exercise and still don’t look like that; do they need an excuse as well?

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Bumble Beekeeper
  • Wedding: July 2013 - UK

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@sabby55:  I need to start this reply by getting a bit back to earth…

For starters, let’s stop this: ” the way you interpretted is so close minded and defensive that you cannot see that.”

“And frankly, you already do sound smug by making such claims that this woman is lying in saying anyone could look like that.” [As it happens, I meant that 99% of people won’t look like that… I didn’t say it was physically impossible]

“I’m judging you for how upset you are over her.”

So let’s stop this unpleasantness right now. At least we should act like two mature adults and stop insulting each other. It is one thing to criticise an abstract advert which was placed into the public domain to attract publicity, and quite another to call ordinary people on a message board who are having a conversation names. The personal insults stop here, please.

Now… back to the reasoned, abstract debate!

I feel that the way she has phrased her advert is deliberately confrontational. It isn’t a nice “wouldn’t it be great to look fit” message, it’s a very confrontational turn of phrase. She has selected her message in order to issue a challenge, which is something we both recognise:

“some people need a good kick in the ass to get up and work to be fit/healthy…. You can only be nice for so long when it comes to health…. Being nice does not work all the time…. SHE IS NOT JUDGING YOU. SHE DOES NOT KNOW YOU. She is probably judging the people who use their kids as an excuse to not take care of themselves.”

Here, you recognise that this woman is judgemental. And she has no right to be. It is not her job to criticise people’s choices and bully them into getting into shape. She is not the health and fitness police. It is the job of doctors, nutritionists, and personal trainers to advise people about their health, on an individual basis. She has as much right to offer someone a kick up the arse based on her concept of health and fitness as I do to say “you should have 4 degrees, like me! What’s wrong with you, thicko?”.

You correctly point out that many Westerners are obese… well, I feel that the majority of the population are also under-educated… that does not mean that I feel I have to personally offer to kick the backsides of the under-educated into shape by, for example, roaming jobcentres and shaming people without A levels. That is not my job, and I would expect to get some rather unpleasnant backlash if I made it my job. Likewise, whilst I do not eat junk food, I don’t walk around my local McDonalds going “ooooh…. are you going to eat that? Because… well… you know… you could really stand to lose a few pounds”. If I did that, I could reasonably expect to get punched in the face. Anyone with any intelligence would know that shaming anyone for anything is likely to provoke a negative reaction… and she has walked right into that trap, for publicity.

If you sell your soul for the advertising space (metaphorically speaking, of course) then you can hardly complain when Mephistopheles comes to collect, as it were…

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@Atalanta:  

But she’s not calling you a bitch. She’s not saying you are fat and lazy, you are the one who took that from 3 words. I find one of the worst qualities is to call someone a bitch without knowing them. In the end, you took her message the wrong way, you are coming off as jealous and mean all in the spirit of “oh, I hate this quality, therefore it’s okay for me to make them feel bad!”

but I guess I’m lucky I’m one of the 2% who do not feel torn down by her. I don’t know her, therefore her input on me means nothing. I’m sorry you feel so offended, but honestly? you got to let this go. This hate you have towards her only hurts you because you are spending so much time and energy on something that should mean so little.  You have every right to your opinion, but you are just coming off as mean-spirited. She is not saying everyone is a “lazy turd.” You are saying that she is saying that. You are saying hurtful things, you are putting words in her mouth. In a way, you are coming off a pretentious yourself by how much you are tearing her down, you are making yourself sound like you are better than her by calling her a “bitch.” This woman is not saying people aren’t valid unless they are fit, YOU are saying that, you are saying she is saying that. Stop being so mean and overreading what she did.

 

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@DaisyBelle:  

Sometimes, people need to be shamed into doing what is best for them. It’s horrible, but it is true. Does that excuse what she said? No. The difference between this and some major magazine was this pic wasn’t an issue until a few people got offended and then made it an issue. If that didn’t happen, then this would not be an issue. It would have been equally as easy for everyone here who hates it to do what would make this go away: ignore it. Personally, I feel like so many women are shamed and embarassed by those 3 words is because they are already so insecure about themselves that they can’t handle anything that can be remotely negative. She is in no way suggesting that women must be perfect. She is saying using your kids as an excuse not to take care of your health is bad. She is not saying all women must look like her. People are reading too far into this ad and that’s disturbing.

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Worker bee
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@Rachel631:  

You say this woman has no right to be judgemental, but this thread was started judging her, calling her a bitch for 3 words. People judge other people, it’s a fact. I’m sure you have judged peoplel who you did not know.People are putting words in her mouth. You do not see the issue with that? You don’t see how people are acting just as bad as they think she is acting? This could have easily gone away if people simply went “that’s mean” and moved on. I say people are close minded because they cannot see how this cannot be offensive, I say people are defensive about this because that is how they are coming across. That is not worse than calling her a bitch.

Also, not everyone go to doctors, nutritionists, etc about their health. Some do not have the luxery of going to specialists to know about their health. So it’s up to them to take intiative for thier own health. Some people need to hear “stop making excuses, take control of your own health.” Sometimes a friend or family member has to do that for a loved one, but according to your logic, only professionals can tell someone has an unhealthy lifestyle and tell them they need to change. And having 4 degrees is not the same as saying people need to get healthy. Degrees do not determine if you are healthy, degrees will not kill you if you have too many. Weight however can kill you, weight makes your heart give out. Weight can leave you stranded in a bed for the rest of your life. Education does not do that. Education is a luxery to a lot people, not something that can be atteinable. Just like being fit like her is attainable for most women, however it is easier to take care of your body than it is to earn a degree. All it takes is 15 minutes to work out, not to look like her, but to make sure you are healthy.

Yes, you would not go around a McDonald’s telling people not to eat that. But as many have pointed out, health is her job. Some random person in a McDonald’s telling me to put down the fry would be offensive because who are they to tell me how to eat? However, she is a professional, she does this as her job. She makes that obvious on her website. She made this ad for her health site. There’s a difference between the two

 

Post # 191
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Busy bee

I don’t believe people are reading too much into the caption she chose. And I believe there are plenty of things in our society that could use some closer scrutiny and healthy debate. Because I, for one, am not down for continuing the blathering crap that’s been shoveled at us for years such as *boys will be boys* and *good girls don’t do that*.

Her caption is flat-out telling people they have no excuse for not looking like her when in fact, there are numerous reasons why another female even of the same build will not look like her, even if they ate identical meals and did identical work-outs.

The implication of her photo combined with her caption is to say that anyone can look like her if they try. Blatantly false. She should expect to be called on her bullshit.

I have plenty of female friends who were gentically blessed not to get stretchmarks. They wear belly-baring shirts all the time. I could care less and think nothing of it. I’ve known plenty of women who are bizarrely and inordiantely proud of the fact that they were genetically blessed (even though they didn’t actually do anything to acheive that stretchmark-less status) and go on and on about it how absolutely FAB they look in a bikini and women eally ought to take better care of their bodies. I don’t hang out with those women because they’re insufferable hags with few redeeming qualities and and I find them to be less than stellar conversationalists.    Something tells me this chick would bore the shit out of me right quick. I’m totally guessing here but I’m betting she’s fairly one-dimensional. every.single.conversation somehow has to loop back to fitness/lifestyle/healthy diet. *oh really? thats postively FAScinating zzzzzzzz*

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Bumble Beekeeper
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@Charlie89:  “if I put in half the effort she does then I probably could look like her.”

But… you know, this is one of the reasons I don’t like her message. She claims she does just 30-60 minutes of exercise, 5-7 times a week. As I say in my previous posts, when I compare the work I have put in at the gym during my lifetime, and the work the personal trainers at my gym put in, and the comparative results in each case, I can only come to two conclusions:

– Either… she is lying. In fact, she works a LOT harder than that to get that body.

– Or… she has been genetically blessed, so that her hard work pays off threefold, or fourfold, compared to the payoff that us mere mortals get. That doesn’t mean she doesn’t work for it… but she has a HUGE natural advantage. I mean, I could play chess every day, but I would never be a Grandmaster, you know what I mean? You need nature, nurture, AND effort to get to the top of the game, and she needs to recognise that a bit more. It may be that what takes her an hour to achieve would take me ten hours, or twenty. Well, there simply aren’t enough hours in the day for me to spend ten or twenty of them in persuit of the body beautiful! That doesn’t make me inferior… it makes her lucky!

She looks great… good for her! But she doesn’t need to challenge everyone else by implying that we need an excuse not to look like her. If she was at my gym, I would be admiring her and congratulating her every day for her hard work… until the day she walked up to me in the changing rooms and said “I’m competing in a bikini contest next week, and you’re not… what’s your excuse?”

… and at that point I would stop congratulating her, and put all my energy into resisting giving her the slap which she would clearly deserve.

Post # 194
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Bee Keeper

I think one of three things. Either…

1) she was going for motivational and missed the mark, because obviously her message has alienated a lot of her target audience

2) she is insecure and was humble-bragging and fishing for compliments, and seeking to make herself feel superior by putting others down (classic grade school technique)

3) she wanted to create more business for herself, and this has definitely gotten people talking

My guess is a combination of all the above 

Post # 195
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Worker bee

The pic’s message, whatever it’s mystical intentions/target audience might be, is “I have three children under three and look like this. Therefore fat women are just making excuses.”

It’s legitimizing fat-shaming, so I think it’s crap. It’s pretty much as simple as that.

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Bumble Beekeeper
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@sabby55:  First of all… I would like you to point out any place in my PPs where I have used the word “bitch”. I’ve said that she comes across as smug, true… but smug does not a bitch make! Also, smug is a way to describe behaviour… not a way to describe who she is as a person. On the other hand, “bitch” is a dismissive way to describe a whole person, and it’s quite different in context.

Now… “not everyone go to doctors, nutritionists, etc about their health. Some do not have the luxery of going to specialists to know about their health.” I’ve never been to a specialist in my life. But it is the job of my GP, when I go for a checkup, to tell me about how to control my weight, and a good GP will do just that. It’s not a luxury, it is the mark of a good medical professional, which I think is a right, not a privilige. On the other hand, having a personal trainer is a privilige… if you want to pay for their opinion, fine… but it is not their job to drum up business by fat shaming.

“Degrees do not determine if you are healthy, degrees will not kill you if you have too many.” I would argue that there have been wars started due to lack of education… just look at Rwanda… a better educated population could have been more aware of the colonialist nature of the differences between Tutsi and Hutu, and mediated that into their lived experience. Just saying. You don’t need a degree to get an education… I was pointing out just how daft that idea was in my comparison! My comparison was designed to show how daft it was, not the reverse.

“Education is a luxery to a lot people, not something that can be atteinable. Just like being fit like her is attainable for most women, however it is easier to take care of your body than it is to earn a degree.”

I read this, and I thought… “ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME?”. Firstly, education is a right, not a luxury. We have free education to A level standard in my country, and sometimes beyond. On the other hand, we do not have free personal trainers or free gym membership at any stage of our lives. My gym membership is a luxury… an absolute luxury. It costs me £30 a month, more than I spend on clothes, shoes, stationary, eating out, or other luxuries. If I couldn’t afford it, my only free option would be to get my exercise running around my local park. In the dark. And the rain. And the snow. Getting eaten alive by the midges. Kudos to people who do it, but that takes quite some dedication.

I’ll tell you something else… getting my degrees was comparatively easy. I’m not saying I didn’t work for them, but I was given a genetic advantage which allowed me to process information in a certain way. This, compared with my upbringing, and my effort, allowed me to get many times the payoff of some people I know with a fraction of the effort. I worked, sure… but part of the reason I put in the effort was because it was so rewarding to get such a huge payoff in exchange for the time put in. I recognise that. I recognise that it wasn’t just work… it was work and genetics. I recognise that some people worked harder for less payoff, and deserve respect and congratulations far more than I do. I also recognise that some people will never achieve that, no matter how hard they work, and it would be completely unfair for me to call them stupid or shame them simply because they were dealt another hand by fate, and given other worthy talents and skills which I do not have. That is another reason why it would be really unfair for me to turn around and say “you are not like me? What’s YOUR excuse?”

Now… fitness… fitness has never come easily to me at all. I have to put many times the effort in for a fraction of the payoff. If you asked me to write 4,000 words on the academic subject of your choice, or do an hour at the gym, I would write the paper because that is So. Much. Easier. I hate exercise. I hate the gym. I go almost every day and I loathe every second. Assuming she is telling the truth, and she only does 30-60 mins 5-7 times a week for that bod… then I appear to work 2-3 times as hard for less of a payoff. I wouldn’t say that was easy…

We all have different skills and talents, and her assumption that everyone is blessed like she is really annoys me. I’m not sobbing into my pillow every night about it… but I am a bit ticked off, yeah.

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