Post # 1
So for starters I love how I do my own make up. I have had my make up done by professionals a hand full of times and have hated it all but twice. I would still like to hire someone to do it for me for my engagement pics later this month (and for my wedding) for a couple of reasons. 1. It would obviously be less pressure on me. 2. I would need to spend a couple hundred bucks on quality make up (maybe more) because I use cheap stuff on a daily basis.
I contacted a MUA’s yesterday whose portfolio I liked. She came recommended by my photog. She’s a little pricey IMO. She wants $225 for the bride (me) and she requires a minimum of 3 additional make-up applications at $90 a piece on my wedding day. She was kinda pushy right out the gate about trying to obtain a $150 retainer. She made it crystal clear that my wedding date would not be booked with her until I pay it. That’s pretty standard. I’m fine with that. I don’t even know if I’ll like how she does my make up, since I don’t have good experiences with MUA’s in the past (though I never mentioned any of that to her) so I’m not ready to do that right this second. She continues in her email that she can do a trial (which would be a MUST for me) and that costs $85. But she will only do trials Tue-Thursday. I understand why, however from my prospective, I have no interest in paying someone $85 to do my make up so I can sit at home with my 3 kids on a Tuesday night.
I told her my engagement pics are Sat the 29th and that is really the only day (besides my wedding) I would need my make-up professionally done. I told her if she couldn’t do a “trial” that day I totally understand, but if she can I’d love to work with her! She sends me a message back that started “To be really honest I’m surprised a photographer can even accommodate your engagement session this time of year on a Saturday”, which rubbed me the wrong way for some reason. Then she said she guesses she can squeeze me in at 2:30 pm for my engagement pics after she does a wedding. I thanked her for being so accommodating on short notice and booked the trial with her. We had a lil friendly chit chat back and forth when she found out my photog was her friend, and that she did another friend of mines wedding make-up. Off to a rocky start but I’m feeling good about this at this point.
Like 5 hours later I get ANOTHER email from her. She’s pushing for that retainer again. It’s a lengthy email reiterating that she will not guarantee my wedding date will be available (I know this already, crystal clear in her 1st message). She goes on and on about how most brides just book her right away because they’ve seen so much of her awesome work. Most brides just skip the trial. She gets daily inquires of brides who just book over the phone. She will TRY to give me first opportunity if someone inquires about my date (which I never asked for but it’s a nice gesture), but that I need to understand by not booking her right now, the worst case scenario (her words lol) is that she will only be able to do my make-up for my engagement session and will already be booked for my wedding date. There was much more about how wonderful she is, how lucky I am that she’s not already booked etc. I just felt like the whole thing was gag worthy.
The last email was over kill. And pushy. And arrogant. And kinda desperate. I know don’t need to be her friend, but I also don’t need any drama. TBH I don’t realllllly need to pay her or anyone else $225 to do my make-up but I’m willing to if I like it. But I need to see her work on my face 1st. She needs to accept that and let it go and be happy she’s making an extra $85 off me for the trial.
Give it to me straight. Is this wedding stuff just getting to me or would any of this bother you? It’s ok if I’m going crazy, you can tell me, I can take it.
It’s hard to find pics because I don’t take pics to showcase my make up but here are some examples of what it looks like when I do it myself:
Post # 2
I don’t think you’re going crazy at all. I personally don’t like pushy vendors. Like you, I understand that there would have to be a down deposit to hold a date and whatnot, that’s pretty standard. But I wouldn’t feel comfortable putting that money down without a trial. I also wouldn’t want to drop close to $100 to be all made up one day and then having to pay again for the day of the photo session. Even if she has wonderful reviews and photos of her work, I feel like everyone is different. Every face is different. Wonderful make-up artists have tried to do my makeup as well and I hated it. This would definitely bother me. I don’t like to feel pushed or pressured especially when it involves money. I find that vendors that do this lose their professionalism and I personally can’t trust a vendor when they act that way. It’s just so unnecessary, especially when planning a wedding itself can be overwhelming. Also, you do wonderful makeup! You look beautiful and you know yourself best.
Post # 3
I think that you would save money by spending money on make up you get to keep after. Or look for a different vendro. She sounds like she will be stressing you out even more.
Post # 4
I agree with you on not liking pushy vendors. It could just be that she’s trying to make it extra clear to you that she might get booked before your engagement shoot so you don’t go bridezilla on her when you find out you just paid for a trial that no longer matters because she can’t do your day. She doesn’t do trials in weekends because she is doing events on weekends.
i did want to point out though that her price is very reasonable, and while you look great in all those cell phone photos with filters that doesn’t really mean anything when it comes to professional non filtered photography in daylight. If you are leaning towards doing your own wedding makeup, why not do your own as a “trial “for the engagement shoot? That way you can see if you’re happy with the final result without spending 85$?
Post # 5
mzxri : +1
This woman sounds like a snot. You know what is the best way to make me want to book a vendor asap? If the vendor tells me to take my time and consider all my options and contact them to book when I’m ready. Obviously some vendors book up very fast, so it’s courteous for them to tell you that they’re already getting inquiries for your wedding month, but this was the case with the photographer I hired, and when I gave him two dates we were considering and we just needed to hear back from the venue about availability, he said he’d pencil me in for both dates and let me know if he got another inquiry for one of those dates so I could move on it and snatch it up if I wanted.
This MUA might be good, but I’d consider how her attitude will affect things down the road. Is this going to be someone who is unwilling to work with you if you request she change something that you didn’t particularly like at your trial? She sounds conceited and obnoxious. If it were me, I’d probably keep looking, and if you run out of time before your engagement photos and haven’t found an MUA, just do your makeup yourself for that. Then when you find someone else, use your trial on the day of a party or something.
Whereabouts are you located? Do there seem to be plenty of other options for MUA’s?
Post # 6
We loved all of our vendors except our caterer and – unsurprisingly – we had loads of issues with him on the day of the wedding.
If your gut tells you not to hire this person, then follow your gut!
If you want a cheaper make up artist I reccomend looking on Thumbtack. But if you want to do your own make up, i think you are definately skilled enough to handle that!
Post # 7
I would find another make-up artist to book simply out of principle. This make-up artist sounds vain, arrogant, overly confident, pushy, and rude.
Your make-up looks great when you do it yourself but I’d still find another make-up artist to do it for you. Professional make-up focuses on applying make-up in a way that will look great in photos, which is different from every day make-up.
Post # 8
Personally I would walk away. If she is so in demand I am a sure she can wait until after a trial. If you decide not to go with her she could easily find business. I really can’t stand bad customer service. I don’t think she sounds very professional. You are employing her and she is acting like its an honour and that you must do as she says. I would keep looking. My MUA is so lovely and she didn’t pressure me for a retainer. I got a free trial and I also get a full bridal trial.
Do you even need a make up artist? Your make up Looks fabulous and it appears you know what your are doing. If I was as good as you I would not need a make up artist.
Post # 9
mrsbrizz2017 : i’ve had my makeup doen several times and hated it. i decided to just purchase products and diy it (and i dont even wear makeup normally). probably spending about $500, including brushes. but my naive attempts (after watching a lot of youtube and doing a couple of sephora make overs) has been LOADS better than any of the MUA jobs. plus – i now have makeup i can wear over and over (i have a lot of weddings coming up, so it’s good practice).
Post # 10
Weddings are too expensive to give money to people you don’t like! I would either do your makeup yourself, as it looks really nice in all of those photos, or just find a different makeup artist if you’d rather get it professionally done.
Post # 11
I think her telling you about the retainer and only doing trails on certain days. Totally normal.
Her annoying you and questioning your photographer not normal.
Post # 12
I don’t know why, but wedding vendors tend to be pretty pushy. It is like being hit up by used car salesmen, “HURRY THIS OFFER WILL EXPIRE IN 40 SECONDS!” I think it comes from two different places:
- Vendors worry that brides will be pissed at them. Brides get stressed and busy and assume the vendor will be at their wedding because they’ve been in contact with the vendor but then the vendor books the date for another bride because there was no deposit. I’ve noticed a lot of vendors stress this part.
- Wedding work may be their side job that they are trying to turn into a full time gig so they are really pushing to book as many people as possible.
Your wedding day will be a wounderful, amazing, chaotic blur. I recommend booking vendors you like having around, enjoy interacting with, and won’t drive you bat shit crazy on an already stressful day. If this woman is already bothering you, I suggest you book appointments to meet with other MUAs. Most of them are more than happy to talk with you over the phone so that you can get a feel for them before doing a trial.
Post # 13
I feel you..I’m probably the least pushy wedding vendor because it’s just not a business route I feel comfortable taking. It’s not my personality…I’m a photographer not a car salesman.
I’m not saying the MUA isn’t being pushy, but I’d just like to give a different perspective. Your engagement session (and thus your appt with her) is still 3 weeks away. Within those 3 weeks if she gets an inquiry for your date and they are ready to book and pay the retainer she’s going to take it. Either that or she’s going to call you with one last chance and you’re going be even more pissed that you feel pressured to either go ahead and book her without a trial OR find a new MUA. From a vendors point of view….it happends way more than people think and always always the bride is angry with us, despite being told numerous times that a date is not held without a retainer.
I’ve had it happen with clients who want to scheudle an engagement session as a test run before booking, only to have me book their date before the session even takes place. Then the couple is unhappy because they have to start over from scratch looking for a photographer….even though I make it VERY CLEAR that their date is not booked without a contract/retainer.
At the end of the day you need to go with who you feel most comfortable with. If you’re already getting a bad vibe from her you aren’t going to be happy with your makeup because your opinion of her is already tainted. I can totally understand her not being available on a weekend, because weekends are for weddings. It’s like I explain to any of my clients who get upset when I can’t do their engagement session or a consultation on a weekend. My weekends are devoted to servicing my clients on their wedding day, and I don’t take on any other business. I feel pretty confident that if the roles were reversed they wouldn’t want me trying to squeeze in other stuff when I should be focusing on their day.
Post # 14
mrsbrizz2017 : I personally like the way you do your own makeup and I like my own skills as well (yes I am humble) but I still opted to get professional makeup done for my wedding because that takes so much stress off of you. I voted to do the trial with her, worst comes to wrost you’ll only be out $85, and if you don’t like it just invest some money into good quality makeup that’ll last all day. Honestly $225 would go a looong way into getting quality makeup pieces as long as you invest in the right things such as foundation, eyeshadow, bronzer, and you can “save” on other items such as lipsticks, mascaras by buying travel size.
Post # 15
There are a lot of makeup artists out there; I would work with someone else. Good vendors don’t have to be this pushy and obnoxious to make a sale. Part of what you’re paying for is someone who’s going to be relaxing and calming to be around on the day of your wedding–do you really want to have to deal with her? It wouldn’t surprise me if she shows up late for your engagement session or pulls some other crap.