(Closed) Fast Food Workers and the Slow Death of Hard Work

posted 7 years ago in The Lounge
Post # 153
Member
594 posts
Busy bee
  • Wedding: October 2009

View original reply
@AB Bride:  People not making enough to have the basic necessities tend to resort to crime. 

Canada also has bit different government from the US. 

Post # 154
Member
594 posts
Busy bee
  • Wedding: October 2009

View original reply
@MissSangria:  Yes, you worked very hard, and luck had something to do with it, as well. 

Post # 155
Member
10642 posts
Sugar Beekeeper
  • Wedding: January 2011

View original reply
@Schrodingers-Car:  Maybe the US needs to switch things up a bit.  I think the ridiculously low minimum wages should be increased.  I don’t think someone in a career should be making minimum wage though.

Post # 156
Member
278 posts
Helper bee
  • Wedding: April 2013

I disagree with the article in that, to me, if seems to make a blanket assumption that people who work minimum wage jobs have the ability to better themselves in a timely fashion.

I worked as a divorce paralegal right after I got out of school and just from that I know it’s not possible. So many women had been stay at home moms for 10, 15 years and married right out of high school (or, as some of our clients liked to say, went to college to get their MRS degree) and had absolutely no marketable skills. Yeah they could go and earn a degree in something useful and hopefully get a job (good luck with that right now) but it would take a minimum of 2 years and they still have to pay the bills.

I am not saying that fast food workers should make 108% over minimum wage, I am saying that minimum wage should reflect the cost of living in an area. Making $7.25/hr, 40 hr/wk is not going to cut it in my area even if you live in a bad parts of town.

Post # 157
Member
3051 posts
Sugar bee
  • Wedding: February 2015

View original reply
@Schrodingers-Car:  you have an external locus of control if you think luck is what makes someone successful. i can easily see how an externalist would think that people can’t help being stuck in a crappy job and since they can’t help it, they should be paid more. as an internalist, i think you CAN help being “stuck” in a  fast food job that sucks. it’s fascinating to see such a clear example of the different beliefs held. i love when something i learn in class isn’t useless lol

i think it does come down to a sense of entitlement, the argument of a living wage.  but not “entitlement” that we usually think of . is someone entitled to a good life with no struggle just by being born? does graduating from just HS entitle you to 30k/yr? does graduating from college entitle you to 50k/year? do people who become drs truly DESERVE to make 150k/yr just because they were lucky enough to be given the opportunity in life to become doctors?

i don’t think the US will ever have an equal distribution of wealth. my personal opinion is that if what you want is an equal pay for all, move to a country that has it. there are plenty. they also have the highest taxes in the world. cost vs benefit decision that only an individual can make. part of what makes america the land of opportunity is that you can bust your ASS working more than you ever thought possible and with enough hard work and PERSISTANCE, you can be something great. i think persistance is the key though. not everyone tries hard enough or has the drive to do something great. if you never give up, you WILL succeed here 

Post # 158
Member
3370 posts
Sugar bee

View original reply
@soontobemrsm11:  Yay! One other person (besides my mom) who will publicly agree with me! lol

Post # 159
Member
1493 posts
Bumble bee
  • Wedding: January 2012

View original reply
@farawayviolet:  all of what she said. I don’t have a problem with religion. I DO have a problem with someone who thinks I’m less of a person because of my sex and my only job is to make babies. I will never shop at such a place as I’d rather suffer from a lack of china made crap than ever give a dime that would go to funding them. If you choose to ignore that knowledge there is nothing I can do but at least other bees might learn of it and know where their money is going. 

Post # 160
Member
5399 posts
Bee Keeper

View original reply
@soontobemrsm11:  i don’t think the US will ever have an equal distribution of wealth. my personal opinion is that if what you want is an equal pay for all, move to a country that has it

 
The thing is, I personally don’t want to see an equal distribution of wealth. I don’t want to live in a communist or socialist nation, but I do want a strong middle class, and people to be able to afford to eat and live. Call me crazy. 

Post # 162
Member
407 posts
Helper bee
  • Wedding: May 2014

And another problem is the huge cost of education, relative to wages.  College used to be relatively inexpensive but now it’s a much higher hurtle for those who want to pursue degrees (and presumeably higher-paying jobs).

Post # 163
Member
328 posts
Helper bee

There are many jobs that need a better wage but three that come to mind are McDonalds, EMTS and Walmart Workers. But, to those that look down on McDonalds workers you obviously have never worked at fast food. Its one of the hardest jobs both physically taxing and emotionally. I worked there for 3 1/2 years while going to school to be a firefighter. I worked fulltime at McDonalds taking any shifts they’d give me, weekends, holidays, 3 am shifts evenings while going to community college on the spare time I had.

 As a fast food worker at McDonalds you do the work of 4 people under 3 minute time constraints at a time. I worked drive through taking orders while talking to sustomers that wouldn’t even look my way, would throw money in our hands, handle drunks, families, military, full lines and car lines of people that would wrap down the block, people who’s orders they wanted very special, while working the cash register, editing orders, sorting out problems, customer relations, restocking, tending grill that was right by my station, and all while washing the entirety of the restaurants dishes including the takeapart fry machine, restocking ice while running from one side of gthe restarant to the other, mopping floors, cleaning equipment, taking inventoryt, restocking lobby, drive through and food prep, making the different assortments of ice cream sundays, mcflurrys, baking pies and ice creams, frying fries, making sandwiches and serving food.

 Some nights all there was on shift was the grill person, manager and myself! Try taking anyone’s order mumbled and sometimes yelled at you while making change for $100 packing a special order up all while writing down a special order and preparing that order to help a grill person go fastewr and under a 3 minute window of time! I did the work of 3 people while dealing wth customers that all thought I was a peace of **** just for working at a fast food joint. I worked there because it was 10 minutes from home and gave me the only shifts that would fit into my scedule.

The job was demanding, hard, and stretched anyone who worked there thin and despite the strife none of us ever gave up because we really really needed whatever money came our way. From 18 to even a 60 year old, we sweat every day trying to meet those standards.

To those of you that state that McDonalds workers work there because they cannot get another job or that McDonalds workers are just high schoolers with no other transferable skills I dare you to work 2 days at what you call “easy”, because those are poor excusse for seeing how far the average person will bend and work for money. Often times, you would be yelled at by a manager because the stress level was high but you worked there because of many different circumstances. If you haven’t actually worked there or a similar set up, honestly, you don’t have room to talk about if McDonalds workers really *deserve the money or not. They have no unions, few benefits, no overtime on holidays, and if you try taking days off you lose most of your hours.

I want to relay the reality to those putting down McDonalds workers for trying to ask for a fair wage. Maybe $15 is too much, but, by who’s standards? In CA especially San Diego, that’s getting by, thats only being able to pay rent and eat and gas money. That shouldn’t be considered a reward or demanding because those workers struggle and are finally standing up for themeselves in a company that could care less about the quality and living standards of their employees they demand so much from. To have such little support from society who they woirk so far on a daily basis is very sad to me.

I should add that despite all that, all of us worked two jobs while going school. It was pretty much impossible and most people were in their mid 20’s, couldn’t even afford to moveout.

I absolutly think they deserve the money, they work hard for it, and even if they don’t end up getting that much, in negotiations you have to start somewhere.

 

Post # 164
Member
594 posts
Busy bee
  • Wedding: October 2009

View original reply
@AB Bride:  The US does need to change. 

 

Yes, career/educated workers should earn more than minimum wage, but minimum wage should provide the basic necessities when working full-time.  

 

Also, healthcare in the US needs entirely revamping so people CAN be hired on full time. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Post # 165
Member
3051 posts
Sugar bee
  • Wedding: February 2015

View original reply
@BlondeMissMolly:  i highly doubt anyone here would disagree with you! a strong middle  classwould be wonderful. raising minimum wage isn’t going to get us there though. the mindset and greed of businesses is what needs to change, they should raise pay because they want their workers’ quality of lifeto increase. as it stands however, many companies would rather ship production overseas to save labor costs. i don’t think demanding higher set minimum wage is the answer, that’s all.

i also think that jobs with high skill requirements should be paid more. ridiculously high stress or not, almost anyone can learn the skills needed to work at burger king. it’s like being a bagger at publix(which my  SO used to do) or working zoning a salesfloor in retail (which i did for a couple years). i would come home crying from stress, break down at work, school fell to the wayside, my feet would ache, and it SUCKED. but the skills needed for my job, a 13 year old couldve learned. minimum wage jobs arent middle class jobs. our middle class used to be stronger when we had line production and manufacturing jobs all over. THOSE are what we need back

Post # 166
Member
594 posts
Busy bee
  • Wedding: October 2009

View original reply
@soontobemrsm11:  Control is both internal and external; they are not mutually exclusive. Two people can be working just as hard, qualify equally, yet one gets chosen for the promotion. I have seen an instance where ONE DAY of seniority meant one person was laid off whilst the other was not. 

 

I did not say equal distribution, but BETTER distribution. 

 

Post # 167
Member
594 posts
Busy bee
  • Wedding: October 2009

It beggars belief that so many are opposed to everyone being able to afford food, housing, water, healthcare, and electricity. 

 

Think about this, too, that if necessities can be afforded by all, then there just might be fewer ‘bad/dangerous parts of town’?  I am not saying it is a cure-all, but it just might raise the quality of life for all.  As has been said  before, if corporate greed would allow. 

 

When the 1% are in control, the result is often hellish-especially when the other 99% finally get fed up.  A ‘Let them be poor!’ prevailing attitude can, and has caused, heads to roll. 

 

The topic ‘Fast Food Workers and the Slow Death of Hard Work’ is closed to new replies.

Find Amazing Vendors