(Closed) Fast Food Workers and the Slow Death of Hard Work

posted 6 years ago in The Lounge
Post # 32
Member
7484 posts
Busy Beekeeper
  • Wedding: June 2013

@rosworms:  Thank you for providing the math on that!

Post # 33
Member
391 posts
Helper bee

I think that everyone in work (regardless of the perceived ‘skill level’ of the job) is entitled to be paid a living wage by their employer. I’m not sure about the figures quoted as I live in the UK and our currency is (obviously!) different here. I’m not saying that fast food workers should earn a fortune or anything, but I do believe that everyone in work should earn enough to have a reasonable standard of living- to clothe, feed and shelter themselves without fear of poverty. This is a massive issue here in the UK at the moment- a lot of people simply can’t afford to live properly on our minimum wages and it is a great worry to many people.

 

 

 

Post # 34
Member
1472 posts
Bumble bee
  • Wedding: November 2013

@BrandNewBride:  I would agree with you. Escaping poverty is muc much harder than people realise.

Post # 35
Member
2450 posts
Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: October 2012

regarding “living wage”… if you can afford tv, cable, internet, or cigarettes… then you obviously make enough money to live, since you haven’t sacrificed these non-essentials yet.

And… working at a gas station, i see people EVERY night who want to buy their doritos and soda with their EBT card and then go to the ATM and take out their cash allowance from the same card and use that to buy a Swisher and a pack of Newports.

I have been at that gas station for 8 years (just had my annual eval yesterday… exactly 8 years) and I have only ONCE seen someone try to use their EBT card for something they needed. One dude… water, powerade, and children’s tylenol (the powerade was for the sick kid).

Post # 36
Member
621 posts
Busy bee
  • Wedding: August 2014

This article makes me so angry I can’t even formulate a response yet. Posting so I remember to come back. The greatest bullshit we have ever been taught as Americans is that “everyone is equal” and “everyone can pull themselves up by their bootstraps”. False. And just one other point here – fast food workers are ASKING $15 in hopes of getting somewhere between the ~$7 they make now and $15. That’s how bargaining works. Do I think they deserve $10-12/hr in todays world in order to make a living wage? YES.

 

Also, YES, everyone’s wages should go up – cost of living has increased across the board and hourly jobs (even those that are higher than minimum wage) aren’t keeping up. 

Post # 37
Hostess
7553 posts
Bumble Beekeeper
  • Wedding: January 2013

@MsW-to-MrsM:  Thanks for the link. I’ll have to check that website out. I wonder if that figure is taking into account all the profit. The salary of the CEO is sickening! 

@rosworms:  That’s sad. I think that’s all about education though. I wish we taught personal finance, saving and investing in public schools. 

Post # 38
Member
621 posts
Busy bee
  • Wedding: August 2014

Also I just want to add that I think it is BS that this guy gets to put this article out into the world and doesn’t even have the courage to sign his full name to it. That is very telling. 

Post # 39
Member
2393 posts
Buzzing bee

@Aquaria:  

But as a hard working college educated person who works in the healthcare field and doesn’t earn a living wage I am personally offended by the snarky nature in which the article was written.

With all due respect, your comment is unrelated to what is being discussed here. The “snarky tone” you picked up from the article has nothing to do with your situation. The opinion writer was not addressing well-educated people such as you who, due to the currently crappy economy, are being forced to take jobs that are beneath their skill set and education.


Post # 40
Member
2393 posts
Buzzing bee

@MsW-to-MrsM:  

I don’t, however, like the condescending attitude of those who assume that all those making minimum wage are lazy and unintelligent.

I agree with you on this.

My cousin, who was laid off from mid-level management, ended up having to flip burgers at Burger King for a few months when her unemployment ran out. 

However — she did so with a positive attitude and made ends meet by moving back in with family, temporarily. Rather than wasting her time whining that burger flippers who have GEDs should be paid $15/hour, she accepted the reality of the situation and continued to apply for jobs until she was hired back into a white collar job that is comparable to the one she lost. 

This new job didn’t just drop into her lap. She was working with, I think, 15 different recruiters and would take calls from them when she was standing outside the Burger King in her uniform during bathroom breaks.

Nothing lazy about that. Go-getters always find a way, no matter the state of the economy. Cream always rises to the top. 

Post # 41
Member
1382 posts
Bumble bee
  • Wedding: September 2014

Minimum wage has greatly decreased when adjusted for inflation. What they are asking for is what minimum wage would be if it had kept up with inflation.

It’s also not as simple as work harder to get a better-paying job. A lot of middle-income jobs were lost in the recession, and the jobs that have been created since then are primarily low wage. There are some people working these jobs who once had middle-income jobs, who are educated and experienced, who can’t find jobs like the ones they were laid off from in the recession.

But perhaps my main objection is that allowing wages this low is corporate welfare. When companies pay full-time workers unlivable wages, their employees must rely on public assistance despite working hard. So taxpayers are subsidizing the wages to allow the workers to survive, and thus to work those jobs. So taxpayers are subsidizing McDonalds and Walmart – extremely profitable companies, that could still be profitable while paying a living wage. Why should we be subsidizing these stores so that they can make even bigger profits? They are lining their pockets with taxpayer money, just indirectly.

Post # 42
Member
1734 posts
Bumble bee
  • Wedding: September 2013

I believe everyone, regardless of their education level or job, should at least earn a living wage – enough to cover food, rent, utilities, clothing, healthcare, and transportation. Minimum wage is not a living wage.

Post # 43
Member
391 posts
Helper bee

@HeyKaraoke:  Absolutely! Completely agree! Working should allow people to pay for a reasonable standard of living for themselves.

Post # 44
Member
223 posts
Helper bee
  • Wedding: June 2013

The real problem is McDonalds and Wal-Mart are making BILLIONS in profits, yet are paying wages SO LOW that their workers qualify for govt poverty subsides – like food stamps, Section 8 housing, etc… So the govt is truly subsidizing their massive corporate profits because no one would be working there if the govt didn’t make it possible to pay such terrible wages.

The minimum wage in Australia is $15.96 an hour! Guess who’s economy is doing way better than the US? Maybe it’s because the average person there has enough of a paycheck to spend money and fuel the economy. 

The income inequality and distribution in the US is abhorrent. We were in a similar situation 100 years ago when the Robber Barons ran rampant – it was so out of hand the govtfinally took action, broke the monopolies, drafted good financial regulation, est. a federal minimum wages and put the force of law behind the right to be in a labor union. Looks like we are going to have to learn all theseold lessons again.

Post # 45
Member
4854 posts
Honey bee
  • Wedding: August 2013

I agree that they should make a bit more than they do now, should they make almost the equivelant to what a manager or a HCA makes? No. This is not a job to stay at for life. This is a “get by” job. I worked for years before I made above $8 an hour and more years to get up to $10. It took more years of school to get a reasonable living wage. Working in fast food is sometimes hard work, but this is not a skilled trade. 

Post # 46
Member
3552 posts
Sugar bee
  • Wedding: August 2014

@MirnaMinkoff:  Exactly, my father and I had this dicussion a few weeks ago. What makes corporations like McDonalds and Walmart so ‘special’ that the government should subsidize their profits by ensuring that their workers have the basics to live. I think at minimum those corporations should be paying their workers enough that they don’t qualify for food stamps and don’t need food stamps. They should also be providing adequate insurance so that their employees don’t need to be on medicare. Just about every other business has to pay for those things for their workers, so why not these mega corporations? I think that the fact that the government has to supplement these workers on such basics like food and health insurance proves that they are not making a living wage. 

The topic ‘Fast Food Workers and the Slow Death of Hard Work’ is closed to new replies.

Find Amazing Vendors