Post # 1
If I read that on Facebook ONE MORE TIME….
We had prayer in school. A teacher couldn’t lead it, and it wasn’t supposed to take class time but I saw kids do it frequently and no one ever got in trouble. Remember when kids would do See You At the Pole on school grounds? NOT illegal. A bunch of kids would say grace before lunch. We had small, informal prayer circles before football games and band contests. There were kids who took part, and kids who were atheists or otherwise uncomfortable/disinterested with the idea of God who didn’t, but everyone was respectful and cool about it on both sides. And no one ever got in trouble, or was discouraged from doing so OR not doing so.
By all means, please correct me if I am wrong, but I am pretty sure as long as you are a student,you have a First Amendment right to pray whenever you want as long as you aren’t being disruptive of other students or using it as a tool to be cruel to someone else. You have the right, also, to choose not to pray.
Do you feel that the laws are good as they are, should be made stronger (more anti-prayer), or should be made weaker (more option to have school prayer)? I think they are fine as they are, personally. Not trying to attack anyone’s beliefs or lack thereof here, btw. I’ve tried to make that plenty obvious, but just in case….
Post # 3
Law are getting disgusting as the years go….i agree with you, if the kid is not harming anyone, let him/her pray in peace..who are we to judge? isn’t a free country anyway?
Post # 4
@EffieTrinket: I agree in that they are fine as they are. I don’t know what “See You At the Pole” means though…
I would have no issue with a child choosing to pray during school hours as long as they are doing it quietly and without making a big to-do of it.
Post # 5
I think prayer should be allowed in schools. If you are not harming anyone then why can’t you pray? As long as kids aren’t beating other kids over the head with a bible then I don’t get why it’s so wrong?
Post # 6
That statement bugs me as well. Because you’re 100% correct. The students as individuals are not stopped from practicing their faith on their own time. So, when someone goes on a tirade about how there is no God in school and that’s why we have so many problems I can’t help but roll my eyes because if they really want God in schools then all they have to do is work harder to convince their kids that they need to practice their faith more frequently.
I don’t think a single thing should be done to change the laws regarding it. The students are free to practice or not practice as they please and the schools (with exception to religious private schools) have no right to enforce any type of organized religion.
Post # 7
The whole “prayer in school is illegal” thing is another lie spread by Fox news and Tea Partiers trying to find something else to blame Obama for. Not mandating prayer does not equate to kicking God out of the schools. People tend to forget the whole separation of church and state thing.
Post # 9
I doubt it’s legal for students to pray to whomever they choose to in ALL schools. Unfortunately, basic human rights aren’t followed in all countries. Here, anyone can pray in a school. It would be wrong for a teacher to lead a class to pray in a public school though.
Post # 10
I think every student should be allowed to pray if they want. It would not be right to say that a student can not pray before a meal.. or other times. I do not think that a prayer should be said over the intercom because there are all different types of religions. Prayer is personal. The teacher should not pray infront of her class, as in outloud to the class. If the teacher wants to pray she can but it has to be personal.
Post # 11
I had to check something out, as I remember the Lord’s Prayer being an issue a while ago. It was being done in a public school, and all students were expected to participate. At the start of this school year, they split the school into two groups in the morning, those who would be reciting it and those who weren’t.
I have no problem with extracurricular type activities being led by a teacher, including religious ones. The above situation was a bit beyond that though and isn’t something I agree with, especially as there are publically funded Catholic and Protestant schools in that area.
Post # 12
I’m a school teacher, and I hate hearing people stretch the truth about this also. Here’s the deal:
“General Rule: Organized prayer in the public school setting, whether in the classroom or at a school-sponsored event, is unconstitutional. The only type of prayer that is constitutionally permissible is private, voluntary student prayer that does not interfere with the school’s educational mission.
May students pray? Students have the right to engage in voluntary individual prayer that is not coercive and does not substantially disrupt the school’s educational mission and activities. For example, all students have the right to say a blessing before eating a meal. However, school officials must not promote or encourage a student’s personal prayer. Students may engage with other students in religious activity during non-curricular periods as long as the activity is not coercive or disruptive. In addition, while students may speak about religious topics with their peers, school officials should intercede if such discussions become religious harassment. It is essential that private religious activity not materially disrupt the school’s educational mission and activities. Personal religious activity may not interfere with the rights or well-being of other students, and the threat of student harassment and pressure must be carefully monitored. It is also critical to ensure that the religious activity is actually student-initiated, and that no school employee supervises or participates in the activity. Any school promotion or endorsement of a student’s private religious activity is unconstitutional.”
I also think that the people on Facebook (and everywhere) need to be aware of the fact that if “organized religion/prayer” is allowed in school, it would include ALL organized religion. I don’t think they’d be so comfortable to have students worshipping “other” things/people/etc. in school, if you know what I mean.
Post # 13
As far as I know organized prayer in school is illegal and every time it’s come up in court even in conservative areas it’s affirmed by the court decision.
Personally that is how I think it should be, if students are religious and want to pray through out the day that is their business.
But there should be no organized school sanction prayer, for example making the whole team bow their heads or pray before a game, starting the day with prayer, leading a school assembly with prayer.
Post # 14
@E_Lynne615: That all depends on where you are.
Post # 15
@E_Lynne615: + a million
I don’t care if people want to pray to whom/whatever in their free time. Before school, after school, at lunch, whatever. Teachers, too. But during school, as a school activity, in the classroom, no. I don’t want to hear it over the intercoms or see/hear it in the classroom and whatnot. We had the “See You At the Pole” thing (it’s a group of students who pray around the flagpole outside in the AM), which is totally cool, as long as you leave people alone about it. Flyers are fine, but harassing students into coming is not (this happened to me).
Post # 16
@TwoCityBride: My stepson’s basketball team bows their heads and pray before each game. It’s a public junior high school.