Post # 1
There’s a specific reason I’m posing this question on this board, which I’ll go into in a future post.
Is there a difference in feeling/reaction, and if so, what is that difference, in how you feel while you are stoned when it is something you do occasionally, versus when you’re a wake and bake pothead?
I’ve been high maybe 8-10 times in my life (I’ll be 37 in a few months), so I know what that feels like. Similar to being drunk–fuzzy headed and “out of it”, and unable to really pay attention to my surroundings/retain information about what was going on around me.
I’ve been told by someone who smoked regularly (every day, sometimes throughout the day) for many years that the high is different when it’s a regular thing, that you’re fully aware of everything around you and that things aren’t fuzzy, that they’re sharper and more intense. This person has unmedicated ADHD and PTSD, and says that they find that being constantly high to a degree calms them down and makes them more able to function normally in everyday life. This person works and drives and does everything a normal person does daily, and never looks or acts high. This person is a functioning and productive person, not in the slightest bit lazy or a stereotypical pothead.
What are your thoughts?
Post # 2
Your friend is right. The high does feel different when someone is used to being stoned, especially if they have an underlying condition that they use weed to treat.
I am just like your friend in that I am a productive pothead; I am employed, I exercise and I do not just smoke weed and sleep. I use weed for my PTSD. It makes the traumatic memories less intense and lessens the flashbacks.
Post # 3
I dont smoke everyday but i do every now and then. I jad deprression and the pills i was on made me very angry so i smoke if i feel extremely stressed or if i just feel like it. I would say probably once a months sometimes more sometimes less. Smoking is not at all like drinking atleast for me. If i smoke i might feel relaxed or super hyper it depends on the weed but i can always function. I live in the bay area and “everyone” smokes here including some of my instructors. Ive had police officers tell me to get my medical card because then i wont get a ticket, so it is pretty relaxed where i live. You said the time you smoked you felt drunk that is probably because it was your first time and the THC levels were probably pretty high. I have once gitten like that after eating a whole pot brownie when i was un high school i dont recommend that.
Post # 4
Absolutely. It rocks your world much more if you’re not smoking regularly, similar to an alcohol tolerance and there def are many functioning “stoners”, and patients alike. And then of course not so functioning ones. The difference being moderation and intention, I think.
Post # 5
A lot of my employees self medicate this way and function just fine.
Post # 6
My ex was exactly the kind of person you describe: had PTSD after being in the military, smoked pot every day to calm his nerves. He was also getting formal treatment from a shrink and taking meds though. He was employed and fully functioning (abeit in a panicky PTSD kind of way) and reported the same effects and tolerance from the pot that your friend does. Meanwhile, I had never smoked pot before I met him and whenever he’d give me a hit (just one hit) I’d get COMPLETELY shitfaced.
While the pot produced no noticeable high in my ex and didn’t appear to affect his functioning, I think ultimately it may very well have interacted with his medications negatively and exacerbated his paranoid-anxious streak. He lost his bearings and went ape on me at one point (as described in my previous posts) and when I called up his psychiatrist and told him what was going on, his shrink said the marajuana was undoubtedly making his condition worse. Who knows. I’d always thought marajuana was benign because of its low toxicity and addictiveness as well as its calming effect, but on the other hand it is well known to give people paranoia and panic attacks, among other things.
Post # 7
It’s really disgraceful when you read back on your post and notice that you can’t spell “marijuana” or “albeit”…
Also, like you said in your OP, my ex said that contrary to the dumbing effect that pot has on almost everyone else, it helped him focus better when he smoked it by blocking out all other distracting stimuli.
Post # 8
Dragonfly715: When someone needs to be constantly high in order to function like a normal person = I call that an addiction! Your friend should be only using marijuana as a crutch and seeking professional therapy for their adhd&ptsd (talking to a therapist doesn’t mean they have to take pills). A therapist can help them find other coping skills.
Post # 9
Dragonfly715: So I find if I take about 3-4 tokes from a joint I’m comfortably high. And by comfortable I mean I can still stay awake and enjoy whatever it is I’m doing. Any more than that then I’m fucked. It’s like I’m literally beside myself, not in my right mind. I get dizzy and eventually pass out. I only do that when I’m having really bad migraines or back pain as I find its the only thing that helps and can keep me asleep so maybe once a month if that.
Someone very close to me, on the other hand, smokes at least twice a day and he says he can focus and concentrate better. But he has also been smoking for about 20 years so he’s built up quite the tolerance.
Post # 10
Dragonfly715: I am a pothead, and probably one of the weirdest you will ever meet. Sometimes I get anxious depending on where I am, when I smoke I calm down so much, not to the point of being a lazy stoner though. I am, as well as my sister are the exact opposite. We are extremely productive. Last summer we built a 65 ft long fence together, did flagstone throughout our grams driveway and many other things. I do believe some people are affected badly by it. I know ‘J’ who does it first thing in the morning, does absolutely nothing all day, everyday, and this has been going on for 4 years straight…and anytime I talk to J, it’s a blank stare, no conversation, no anything.
Joints are really nice on vacation, just to be more relaxed on a beach! Or snowboarding too, makes you a lot more courageous
Post # 11
It really affects everyone differently. I’ve known people who literally fall asleep within 10 minutes of smoking, and I’ve known people who can go about their lives like everyone else, and I know people who bake all day and do nothing else with their lives. In the latter case, it’s not the pot that’s causing them to be a lazy stoner, they’re just lazy and unmotivated in life in general.
I don’t consider weed an addicting substance. I’ve never seen or heard of anyone going through a physical weed withdrawal. Like I said, that “lazy stoner” stereotype comes from those who aren’t motivated in life anyway, they just also happen to smoke weed, or choose to smoke it over doing other things, but they don’t have a physical need for it to keep from DTing.
Post # 12
Don’t forget that most drugs affect people differently! even aspirin doesn’t work in about 40% of people
Avoiding drugs is always the best option (unless prescribed by a doctor in certain particular cases)
Post # 13
Sometimes therapy isn’t enough for complex PTSD. Therapy is not the panacea that everyone thinks it is.
Marijuana can also be used in conjunction with medication or counseling.
I had a friend who died of AIDS. He had a certificate which made it legal for him to smoke medical marijuana. When my dear friend smoked constantly, it helped him regain his appetite and kept his severe nausea at bay. He clearly needed marijuana to function normally. I hardly think that anyone who is educated about medical marijuana would say he was an addict.
Post # 14
My SO is the same as your friend. Most of the time I’m not even aware that he’s high until I see his eyes. If anything, he’s more calm and relaxed. He says being high makes him concentrate better, and he wonders if he has ADHD because he can’t focus and often needs to be on the go. When I smoked, and quite often, in college I just felt kinda meh about it. I got high only because I was bored and wanted to watch some movies to laugh at. After a while when I got depressed/anxious due to some school work, being high just made me more depressed and anxious. I still associate it with that and didn’t find being high as something enjoyable. To be honest I don’t think I ever did. I like being in control, and being high just made me feel weird even though I was smoking multiple times a day those four years. I stopped since I graduated and haven’t had “ill side effects” aside from weird dreams for the first week. I was productive then, and still productive now. My SO was and still is as well.
Post # 15
PositiveThinking: your friend had a physical disease that was eating away his body and killing him, totally different from the OP’s friend! The OP’s friend has mental illness and I did say marijuana should be used as a crutch WITH therapy, just not as the only answer. Especially if the OP’s friend lives in a state where marijuana is illegal, because the judge isn’t going to let “drug dependency” pass just because of poor mental health. “Self-medicating” is never ok in the eyes of the law.