(Closed) Spinoff: Anti-abortion Bees – Where do you draw the moral/ethical line?

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An article I found on illegal gendercide abortions in the UK from earlier this year.

“I must admit I grow ever more uneasy as I see abortion become not a regrettable, sad act of last resort, but just another form of contraception… Over the past 40 years, there has been a 3,700 per cent increase in abortions, and this in the era of the reliable oral contraceptive pill. This is not what the 1967 Abortion Act was intended for. It’s not a womb valeting service, ladies”

Post # 33
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Honey Beekeeper
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@Kate0558:  Not to threadjack – but you do realize it costs more to sentence someone to death than it does to sentence them to life in prison, right? 

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@Kate0558:  But if you think you don’t have the authority and power to determine when that child’s life should end, how can you assume you know when an adult’s should end?  

I’m Catholic and I’m actually right there with the church on the death penalty– I don’t always agree with them on other things!  Catholic teachings said that the death penalty was all right to protect the general public from a murderer… until we developed life imprisonment where it could be assured that a murderer would be unable to harm the public.  I think if that person is unable to hurt another person for the duration of his life, it’s not my place to say when he lives or dies?  Just the same as I think it’s not my place to decide if a fetus is too disabled to continue with a pregnancy.  I don’t think I, as just one person, have the foresight and ability to determine when a life should end.

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@Kate0558:  “The ONLY case i can validate it is when carrying the child to term would harm the mother. If its a matter of choosing one life over the other then i’m not in any position to tell someone what they should choose.”

As sad as it is, women have died in childbirth for hundreds of years.  My Mum was almost one of them.  Thankfully she is still with us, but I can’t imagine her choosing her own life over mine.

Post # 36
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Helper bee
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Great thread!  I have often wondered this myself.  If you are pro-life and fighting tooth and nail to protect a fetus, then why is one more important than the other because of the circumstances surrounding conception?  There is only ONE circumstance that makes it okay because of potential emotional trauma to the mother?  It doesn’t make any sense.  I am staunchly pro-choice and have tried to understand the logic behind it but it’s just not logical.  

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@koveline:  Because as long as a woman’s right to choose what happens with her reproductive organs is up for legal debate, people will be talking about it. Don’t click on a thread if the title clearly says it’s abortion related (if it bothers you).

Post # 38
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I consider myself pro-life even though I’m okay with the idea of the morning after pill. That does give a woman who has been raped an option to protect herself after the fact.

Beyond that, I don’t agree with abortions for any reason other than extreme danger for the mother. If a woman is pregnant from a rape, I feel that she should carry it to term and put it up for adoption if she doesn’t feel she can care for it.

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@kybride2012:  But what about situations like the girl who posted in the other thread. She was drugged and assaulted. She didn’t figure out what happened until weeks later after she missed her period. Obviously there wasn’t a reason for her to take the morning after pill because she didn’t know that she had been raped. 

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@abbie017:  Yes sadly, thats why i said 25cents. Something wrong with the way we wasting money on the electric chair or w/e they are using these days when there is a very cheap solution. If someone killed someone i love i’d want them dead. Jail wouldn’t do it for me, that would be getting off easy. Because my loved one doesn’t even get that much. I feel for all those people out there who have lost someone like that. I’m sure most of us would feel the same if we were put in that situation, I just hope none of us ever are.

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@bookworm88:  “Just the same as I think it’s not my place to decide if a fetus is too disabled to continue with a pregnancy.” I’m sorry i’m not understanding how a baby could ever be too “disabled” to live? And as for those on death row. I didn’t make that decision, they did. Actions have consequenses – you CHOOSE to murder someone – don’t be surprised if you get it right back.

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@ladyartichoke:  I know its a very sad and scary thing and if i were faced with that decision it would be a very difficult one… i think i’d need to be absolute sure i would die before i could do that. and even then my husband to be and my parents would most likely make it for me. if it were just a small risk, i’d prolly take it and just take any precautions necessary if the doctors thought it would help.  But thats just me. One life over another is a personal decision thats all.  I’m glad to hear you both survived!

Post # 41
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I’m pro-choice, although I would never want to get an abortion myself. I believe that the only appropriate time for an abortion is if the mother is at serious risk or will die from carrying the child. I do not believe that aborting a pregnancy that was caused by rape is right… although I certainly can’t begin to comprehend the pain of the mother in that situation. However, the circumstances of their conception is not the baby’s fault.

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Bumble bee
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@Leland:  when people say trauma to the mother – they arent talking about emotional trauma…. they are talking about physical trauma – like death.

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@Kate0558:  The more expensive cost comes from the legal challenges, not the actual method of killing someone.  As soon as you are sentenced to death, most (if not all) states automatically give you an appeal, meaning, a whole different legal obstacle that gets state funded.  Most people on death row have court apppointed attorneys.  Capital trials are expensive.  Jurors cost money, judges cost money.  It comes down to cost vs. certainty the person is guilty (which is why a bunch of states have outlawed or issued moratoriums on the death penalty).  The “years and years” they sit on death row comes from the legal process and their constitutionally guaranteed rights.  Even states who have the cheap style of execution (Utah still uses a firing squad) have to give appeals and go through the process. 

Anyway, this is super off-topic.  I’ve studied corrections extensively (Masters in criminology), so I just wanted to point out those facts!

Post # 44
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I haven’t read any of the posts except the title, but the proper terminology would be “pro-life,” especially since the other thread was directed at “pro-choice” bees.

Or would the other side like to be called “pro-death” or “anti-life?”

Terminology matters, and just as pro-choice people would not tolerate a title that emphasizes the negative aspect of their position, neither should pro-life people.

Post # 45
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Bee Keeper
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My 2cents on the capital punishment side of this: I personally do not believe that we as human beings should be deciding when someone is to die. That is not our place. I don’t believe in “an eye for an eye”. I’m not saying that we should just let murderers and rapists live amongst us, and I’m not even saying that I myself wouldn’t wish death on someone who commited such a horrible crime, but that it is just not right for me or any other human being to end their life to pay for that. It sucks, but that is what I believe.

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@UpstateCait:  Although that is an absolutely horrible situation to be in, my opinion is that the baby did not do anything wrong and did not deserve to be aborted. According to her story, she went to the doctor after two months. A fetus at two months has a face. To me, it really is a baby and a life. I can understand her not wanting to keep the baby, but my belief is that it should be carried to term and put up for adoption.

Just to note, I am not saying anyone did anything wrong or judging anyone. These are just my views and my beliefs. I understand that not everyone agrees with me and they are free to make their own decisions.

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