(Closed) Spinoff: Anti-abortion Bees – Where do you draw the moral/ethical line?

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Post # 62
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Sugar bee
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@Woodstock:  “You are either pro-abortion (meaning you’d have an abortion if you had to choose) or you are anti-abortion.”

I’m sorry but you are wrong.  Just because you are pro-choice doesn’t mean you would have an abortion.  I am pro-choice and personally wouldn’t get an abortion, but I value that women have the right to CHOOSE.

Post # 64
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Honey bee
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@o0olibelulao0o:  I’m talking about your personal morals. you either think for yourself that it’s morally wrong or its right

 

Post # 65
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Busy bee
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@Woodstock:  umm no…..

Prochoice and prolife doesn’t refer to whether or not you PERSONALLY would have an abortion

 

prochoice means you believe abortion should be legal

Prolife means you believe it should be illegal

 

And I hardly think that there aren’t ENOUGH teen moms out there…..and that what we need to do is convince more teenagers to keep their babies…..

 

Post # 66
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Honey bee
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@sylvia.riggle:  I am not pro-choice. A true pro choice advocate supports the womans right to choose in any circumstance and they have no moral opposition to it.  I do not support that but I do not believe making it illegal is the way to go so what am i? And when I say the world would be better with no abortions you fail to recognize the fact that there are other factors playing a role in preventing abortions other than keeping the baby and putting it up for adoption. Its called education and preventing pregnancy in the first place. I would hope everyone would agree that the world would be better if no-one had to make that choice in the first place

Post # 67
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Bee Keeper
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@red_rose:  No one is pro-abortion, just like no one is pro-war. No one ever believes “Let’s abort as many babies as possible!!!” EVERYONE would like to see less abortion, even pro-choice people.

I don’t understand why you’re getting all upset over “anti-abortion” either. I could see getting upset at the label of “anti-choice” (because that truly sounds bad), but anti-abortion is a pretty accurate term imo.

Post # 68
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Busy bee
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I am pro-life so unless its to save the mother then its okay. you can make a case for rape to me and i would say okay unless its past a certain number of months  i guess even tho if it was myself i would put the baby up for adoption its not  the babies fault. 

 

I saw a quote the other day that said

“I have noticed everyone who is pro-choice has already been born” and i really liked that! 

Post # 69
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Honey Beekeeper

I know this is a sensitive subject, and there’s no way we’ll ever all agree. However, disagreements are expected to be handled in a mature and respectful manner. Can we please cool the back and forth and stick to the topic at hand? There are some constructive discussions going on here. Thanks!

Post # 70
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: June 2012

well i’ll throw in my two cents.

i’m pro-life. but i want to start out by saying this, i’m pro-life and i do see abortion as ending a life. but i think it’s harsh to tell a woman she is or even consider her a murderer because she had an abortion. my moh had an abortion her first year of college, before i knew her. i’ve held her hand and cried with her over this. she feels she made the right choice and i don’t question or judge her. she also respects my feelings about abortion. what i’m trying to say is, it doesn’t change my opinion of her as a person. we pro-lifers can be a little harsh.

ok that was my pre-face. now here is my case, i personally especially while i was in college was surrounded by people who believed me to be back woods and ignorant for my old fashioned pro-life morals. after being brow beaten many times for my beliefs, (pro-choicers can be harsh too) i realized i need to get my thoughts together and form a strong argument for my stance on the matter.

So here it is. (and side note, my Fiance was very pro-choice when we met, he heard this argument and started to 1. change his thinking 2. fall in love with mine) 😉

In a perfect world, abortion would be gone, everyones pregnancies would be happy and wanted. additionally everyone would be well educated about how to prevent unwanted pregnancies and they would act on that knowledge. and clearly in a perfect world, rape just wouldnt be an issue. but we are never going to get to that place. this world will never be perfect. Not to mention, we’ve created a world that is never going to end abortion. abortions are never going away. i’ve accepted that. 

what i would like to see is more pre and post abortion counselling for women. it should not be an easy choice for any woman. and there are terrible terrible physical and emotional side effects which can be permanent. especially the emotional ones, even if the woman truly believes she made the right choice, there are still serious emotional reprecussions in some cases. we all know the many physical side effects some of which i just cant even imagine.  

and yes there are going to be women who do not care, who use abortions as birth control and that’s all there is to it, and that is the kind of person they are and we can’t change that.

but i feel women seeking abortion reguardless of the reason should have to attend an honest and real counselling session, giving them other options, as well as all the information they need to know about the dangers of abortions. they need emtional support from a trained unbiased counsellor someone to talk it all out with. (women need to talk things out, and many women are in a situation where they have no one to really talk it out with) then they need to go home and think about it on their own, and come back in a few days if that’s what they have searched themselves and decided on. then i can’t ask anymore than that of anyone.  

but many women skip that step, they don’t truly search themselves for what they truly want or think about the whole big picture. which is understandable when you are being put in such a difficult situation, that you at the time just want to be over so you can get on with life and not worry about this anymore. abortion can be a knee jerk decision and that’s when i struggle with it, not just for the lost life but the woman and the repercussions for her which she may not be fully aware of. 

 

So for me, i think all abortion is wrong. but i know it’s not going anywhere, and i just believe the acess to it needs to be reformed, not in that some people won’t qualify, but in that women are getting the support someone to hold their hand and help them through one of the hardest choices they may ever make. they have to right to know ALL sides of what they are considering before exercising their right to chose. 

 

Anyway i’m sure someone will come along and rip that apart, but with something like this, i’ve learned it’s better to agree to dissagree and go on. it’s a tough subject. 

edit..oh dear things were looking so calm when i started typing this. 

Post # 71
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Busy bee
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@Woodstock:  I’m sorry but  if you don’t want to make abortion illegal that still makes you pro-choice. You may not like the term but that is what it means. I know many pro-choice people that would never ever have an abortion and are very judgmental against those who have had abortions. If you want abortions to be illegal you are Pro-life. That is why anti-abortion is a more descriptive term. I don’t understand why someone who is against abortions would be offended by being referred to as anti-abortion.

Post # 72
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Honey Beekeeper
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@red_rose:  (and in support of
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@Atalanta:‘s point) I’m pro-choice, and I’m offended by that terminology.  No one is ever pro-baby-death, and to even suggest that (even in sarcastic jest or whatever your aim is), is offensive. 

I went to a very, very conservative Catholic university, and I took a course in morality and the law, and we talked a lot about abortion (obviously).  The professor referred to pro-choice as “anti-life” once and the seminary students in the class jumped down his throat.  I agree terminology matters – and yours, joy2011, was horribly offensive and meant to provoke anger and hostility. 

Post # 73
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Busy bee
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@red_rose:  IMO pro choice and pro life are both far too general to be correct. Some people are both pro life and pro death penalty, that is discongruous and while I totally understand that the natural state of human beings is emotive rather than logical, arguments and legal definitions are better off being logical, laws have to be largely absolute. 

I don’t find either of the words pro or con to be inherently negative but if it upsets some people maybe theres a specific phrasing that wouldn’t upset anyone? Pro-nobody having an abortion, Pro-me not having an abortion but I let others decide for themselves, Pro- anyone having an abortion, Pro- abortions in specific circumstances … 

I think there are realistically too many variables to give every view point a pro prefix. Maybe its best to go down the old philosophy answer to too many variables – abortion-yeay and abortion-boo. Still, I’m sure that still offends people too. I think we are stuck with “innacurate and over generalised” or “offensive sounfing prefix”. The abortion debate can’t even reach a satisfactory and accurate agreement for the names of its sides. What hope is there of an end to the argument itself?

Post # 74
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Helper bee
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@sylvia.riggle:  I’m not arguing that life begins with a face. I believe it begins well before that. I just can’t imagine getting rid of something that even has the beginnings of a face.

Post # 75
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Honey bee
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@sylvia.riggle:  I’m not offended by being called anti-abortion. 😀 I just think pro-life and pro-choice generalize too much and generally suck when identifying your stance on abortion

Post # 76
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Busy bee
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@ames12708:  I’m not trying to rip you apart, but at least in my state a counselling session outlining ALL options is absolutely mandatory before having an abortion.

And most women are not emotionally scarred from having abortions, not because they ‘don’t care’ and ‘use abortions as birth control’ but because they do not share your opinion that life starts at conception. They do not believe that they killed anyone.

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