(Closed) Spinoff: Anti-abortion Bees – Where do you draw the moral/ethical line?

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Post # 92
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Worker bee
  • Wedding: December 2012

For those that argue stopping a beating heart is ending a life. People’s hearts  are routinely stopped and jump started in hospitals around america, and if they can’t restart it they keep them on life support and keep blood flowing and lungs moving to “keep them alive”.

Personally I don’t measure a heartbeat and blood pressure as signs of life. I look at is there any signifigant brain activity as well as a vital signs that the person themselves are maintaining. 

And for those that argue it has a face ,so does the meat you eat. Which is killed far after it has left the womb. 

And not that it affects the validity of my statements but I am for womens right to chose.

Post # 93
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: July 2011

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@fishbone:  This is so well said and so true!  A lot of people don’t even have the emotional or financial resources to raise a perfectly healthy child, much less a seriously ill one.

Post # 94
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Sugar Beekeeper
  • Wedding: January 2011

I’m very pro-choice now, but there was a time when I wasn’t too sure.  Back then, I would have been fine with it for rape.  It comes down to personal responsibility.  No one who is raped should have to be constantly reminded in such a physical way for 9+ months.

If abortion was only legal in cases like rape, it would create huge issues though.  Sure, if someone is raped by a stranger it’s a little easier.  What about date rape or other instances where the rapist is known though?  Many woman don’t want to report that.  There’s also the other side, I could see some women claiming rape even if it was consensual, especially after a breakup so they could get an abortion.

Post # 95
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Honey bee

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@ames12708:  What about the opposite case? Should pregnant women also have to undergo counseling, presented other options (abortion, adoption), counseled as to the psychological effects of having a child, the physical risks of having a child (greater than having an abortion), the costs, etc.? If women who want to abort need to go through so many hoops, shouldn’t a woman who wants to give birth to a baby also have to?

Post # 96
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Busy bee

I’m pro-choice and therefore “don’t matter” as far as this thread goes, but anyway…

-Pregnancy and birth can be miserable and life-threatening…why in the world would anyone want to force a rape victim through that? 

-Trisomy 18 (especially when accompanied by the other complications Baimee mentioned) is really really really awful.  There would absolutely be no chance of that child ever being x years old and healthy/beautiful/the light of his family’s life.

-Really interesting article The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion: When the Anti-Choice Choose

 

Post # 97
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Buzzing bee

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@ThingsThatShine:  Thank you! I didn’t say anything, but that’s exactly what I was thinking. It is, more or less, a death sentence to the baby. Also, while doctors of course can be wrong,  there was nothing pointing in any positive direction here. As I stated, the person who gave them the news was shaking and could hardly handle it. It was BAD.

Post # 98
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: April 2012

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@ThingsThatShine:  that’s a great article!  thanks for sharing!  It echos the sentements that I have always thought… Don’t make vast statements and judgements until you are in their shoes… otherwise you just don’t know how you’ll react in that situation.

Post # 99
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Helper bee

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@Baimee:  Agreed, with your criticism of the phrase. I find the term pro-life to be pretty offensive – it implies that the opposite side is pro-death, or anti-life, when the “pro-choice” camp is neither of those things.

I actually think the phrase “anti-choice” sums up the “pro-life” side pretty well. You want to take away the choice, so you are anti-choice.

Post # 100
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Helper bee

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@ThingsThatShine:  I really hate how people entirely ignore how traumatic – both physically and emotionally – pregnancy and childbirth can be. If I am forced to give birth to a child I don’t want, whether it belongs to a rapist or not, my problems don’t all just go away the moment I hand the baby over to its adoptive family. Adoption is a great option for those who think they can handle the process, but it’s not an equal option to abortion.

Post # 101
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Sugar Beekeeper
  • Wedding: January 2011

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@Baimee:  I thought I saw someone declare themselves pro-abortion on one of the two threads.  I thought it was a little odd, but I’ll chalk it up to a language or cultural thing.

Post # 102
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Newbee
  • Wedding: December 2012

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@Kate0558:  I agree with you 100%. You just took the words out of my mouth,.

Post # 103
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Busy bee

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@Baimee:  You’re welcome!  Not every problem is just a matter of “oh, he’ll just be a little delayed” or “oh, she’ll look different, but that’s okay” or “he might need surgery”…some of these problems really are so bad that termination becomes the kindest option for the child. 

 

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@o0olibelulao0o:  Glad you found it interesting!  That article is always posted on another forum I read and everyone there loves it, so I figured I’d post it here.  
 

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@koveline:  Yep. Adoption tends to be painted as some sort of rosy end to a bad situation, while everything that comes before and after it is ignored and disregarded. 

Post # 104
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: November 2011

To be honest, im a pro-choice.

and while i understand why people are defending life and all that, i think going to the EXTREME of saying “not even if its rape” it just… wow

I mean, the fetus/baby would be a reminder of that horrible act for the mother… as if rape AND ending up pregnant wasnt enough trauma, carrying the baby to term… that must be horrible

I think we need to put ourselves in the shoes of those women.

If i was raped and the rapist got me pregnant, would i keep the baby? Hell no.

While i understad that it’s not the babies fault, it wouldnt be mine either.

Just sayin’

Post # 105
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: September 2011

I am not okay with abortion at all, there is no point where I feel as if is okay. Though, I could understsnd if the life of the mother is absolutely threatened, I still don’t like it but if they are both going to die anyways I would rather save one.

Post # 106
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Bee Keeper

What I don’t understand, is why people feel like their opinion matters? I know that doesn’t sound right, so let me try to explain. 

I am pro choice. Would I have an abortion? I really don’t think so, but I couldn’t say with certainty because situations are not always black and white. But I am pro choice, because well, why should I (or the government, or anyone else) tell someone else what they can and can’t do? Maybe you think it’s wrong, but how does it really affect you? I just don’t understand this. Certainly everyone is allowed to their opinion and I realize that’s what people are sharing. But I guess my confusion comes from the fact that some (note not all) pro life supporters want to push their belief on others. I know this is slightly tangential, but something I often wonder. This is somewhat similar to my views on gay marriage. Is it “right?” I don’t know, and I don’t care, because it just doesn’t affect me. 

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