(Closed) Spinoff: Prostitution

posted 9 years ago in The Lounge
  • poll: should prostitution be legalized

    yes

    no

  • Post # 61
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    Bumble bee

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    @abbyful: prostitution is not always 2 consenting adults.. a lot of prostitutes are forced into it and exploited.. and I doubt pimps and prostitutes would really be paying their taxes.. no one would really come forward about doing it.

    Post # 62
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    Bumble Beekeeper
    • Wedding: October 2010

    Nevada has legal prostituion in the form of brothels in several of its counties.  They are licensed and regulated and the girls are required to get weekly STD checks.

    Post # 63
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    Bee Keeper
    • Wedding: December 2011

    While I think it is tragic of society that prostitution has to exists at all, the fact is it has since humanity has existed. Theoretically, if it could ACTUALLY be legalized and regulated well, it would be better. But I know people who work with victims of the “legal” sex trade in places like Amsterdam and a few other places where it is legal and it is just as horrific a trade there as it is anywhere else.

    I think the issue is that the slime-balls who pimp aren’t the type of model citizens who are going to register and pay taxes if it were legal anyway. The only thing that will help the people trapped in prostitution is a change in society that doesn’t just pitifully shake a finger at the people who indulge in prostitution and write off the ones who are prostitutes, but actively fight against it.

    Post # 64
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    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: October 2015

    I think that prostitution should be legalized. Consenting adults should have the right to engage in sex within the privacy of their own homes (or a brothel, or whatever) even if they do pay for it. Legalizing prostitution would make it taxable which would help the economy. It would also make it possible for the women to have access to regulations that keep them healthy and safe, such as regular STD checks and safety from violent “johns.” Legalizing prostitution actually reduces the occurance of rape and it would also help with human trafficing because prostitutes would have to be liscenced. Pimps would be obsolete, because most girl fall into their grasps for the illusion of protection that they give.

    Post # 65
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    Honey Beekeeper
    • Wedding: July 2010

    While I would never partake in it and I’d hope DH would never want to either, I think two consenting adults should be able to have sex with a monetary transaction involved.  So yes, I think prostitution should be legal.

    Look at the brothels in Nevada (where it is legal).  Those women are there by choice.  They are monitored for STDs with frequency which makes them much safer and healthier (for both themselves and their johns) than the illegal girls on the streets.

    It just doesn’t sit right with me that the government can say it is illegal to sell one’s body (even if I personally wouldn’t partake in the practice).

    Post # 66
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    Helper bee
    • Wedding: March 2012

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    @zippylef: Thank you so much for posting that!

    In theory, I’m a “yes” for the reasons listed above. From what I’ve seen and heard about how things work in Nevada, it seems like a far better system. Also escorts who run their own business out of their homes and are able to screen people are obviously much better off than women who are on the streets afraid of going to the cops and take what they can find. In theory it sounds much better

    However, I hadn’t really heard anything about the Netherlands or how things are going there. It seems like they aren’t going well at all. I’m going to have to look more into this.

    Post # 67
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    Bumble bee
    • Wedding: May 2013

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    @jenangeles: In Denmark you have to have a license to practice so that’s how they keep track with taxes.

    Post # 68
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    Bumble bee
    • Wedding: January 1992

    I know I’m a little late to the conversation, but I thought I’d give my perspective.  I worked for a year as a plus size escort, which is a nice little niche in the sex trade.  My roommate worked also, but she was normal-sized.  It was a good experience.  I had lots of lovely clients, and I remember a lot of them fondly.  I had a couple clients that were not very nice, but I think you would find that no matter what business you are in.  I only did it on the side, as I was also a nanny and a student, but I know a lot of girls that did it full time, regularly.

    Legalization would be an excellent move.  STD’s are not a big concern, as most girls use condoms for all sex acts, even oral.  The major concern is getting caught.  It can ruin everything, the chances of finding a normal job, continuing your education, and even finding a good place to live.  For you see – anyone convicted of prostitution is labeled a sex offender.  This can vary depending on the judge, but I know girls that had to put their name on the sex offender registry – and they were with another consenting adult.  No one deserves to have their life ruined like this. 

    If prostitution were legalized, I think that, like the adult video industry, escorts etc should have to get tested for STD’s monthly.  A client could ask to see the results, and vice versa.  An escort could ask to see each client’s driver’s license, and if it turned out to be a bad client, she could report him to the authorities and any other escorts in the area.  (Currently, a good escort will get references, preferably, two, for each new client she sees.  She will also report a bad client’s phone number and physical description to other escorts in the area.) 

    ETA: The only reason I posted this was because I think many of you think of escorts as downtrodden women with no hope, who are desperate… That’s not true for many escorts. 

    Post # 69
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    Helper bee
    • Wedding: March 2012

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    @rubyred605: Thanks so much for sharing! This is fascinating and it’s great to hear from someone who has such a unique view on the topic.

    Post # 70
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    Buzzing bee
    • Wedding: January 1991

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    @Mrs.KMM: I agree with you!  I don’t plan on ever being or visiting a prostitute, and DH doesn’t either, but if other people want to, that’s their choice.

    DH and I watched an episode of Bullshit (with Penn and Teller) about prostitution and it was very interesting.  They, obviously, are not the most scholarly of sources, but they did talk to lots of prostitutes in various states, including Nevada.  They went to a legal brothel, and honestly, it looked really nice.  

    One thing that stuck out to me is that a lot of women are proud to be prostitutes and want it legalized.  They would be safer because they could go to the police if an assault or rape took place, and they also said it would take away the power of the pimps.

    I think it’s important to remember that some (not all) choose prostitution because they want to do it.  Under no circumstances should a person (adult or child) be forced into it, but if two consenting adults want to conduct a business transaction where sex costs money, then why not?

    Post # 71
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    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: March 2012

    For those of you who are interested, the book I read was Brothel: Mustang Ranch and Its Women. 

    Here’s the Amazon blurb:

    When Harvard medical student Alexa Albert conducted a public-health study as the Mustang Ranch brothel in Nevada, the only state in the union where prostitution is legal, neither she nor the brothel could have predicted the end result. Having worked with homeless prostitutes in Times Square, Albert was intimate with human devastation cause by the sex trade, and curious to see if Nevada’s brothels offered a less harmful model for a business that will always be with us. The Mustang Ranch has never before given an outsider such access, but fear of AIDS was hurting the business, and the Ranch was eager to get publicity for its rigorous standards of sexual hygiene. Albert was drawn into the lives of the women of the Mustang Ranch, and what began as a public-health project evolved into something more intimate and ambitious, a six-year study of the brothel ecosystem, its lessons and significance.

    The women of the Mustang Ranch poured their stories out to Albert: how they came to be there, their surprisingly deep sense of craft and vocation, how they reconciled their profession with life on the outside. Dr. Albert went as far into this world as it is possible to go — some will say too far — including sitting in on sessions with customers, and the result is a book that puts an unforgettable face on America’s maligned and caricatured subculture.

    Post # 72
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    Honey bee
    • Wedding: October 2011

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    @zippylef: ok, I’m only on the second page of that article, but I’m *very* skeptical of one thing… (maybe they’ll discuss it later?) So they got 200+ kids to interview with them? But these kids all (mostly?) came to them through the avenue of one man? These kids were allowed to meet with the interviewers, and yet we are surprised they don’t have pimps? Well, I would imagine that the kinds of kids who this study was trying to uncover, like the sex slavery ones, would not only be in a different “circle” from this one man who funneled all the other kids to the interviewers, but would also not have the *freedom* required to go meet with the interviewers, even if they DID hear about it!

    Sounds like a pretty flawed study to me…

    Post # 73
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    Bee Keeper
    • Wedding: May 2009

    I’m for legalization under certain conditions.  I grew up in Northern Nevada, I know some sex workers and I’ve been in brothels before, but the Nevada system of prostitution is different from basically anywhere else in world.  It works in that there’s very little instance of abuse, forced service, human trafficking, etc… but it’s not really a model that can be applied almost anywhere else because it’s a rural system.  Nevada still has major issues with urban prostitution (like underage prostitutes, forced prostitution, abuse/assault/rape, drug issues, etc…) in Vegas, and to some extent, in Reno, despite legalization in other parts of the state.  Before I could be supportive of federally legalized prostituion, I’d have to see an urban model that actually works, to be honest.  Since I’ve yet to see that happen, I’m only ok with implementing a rural system under similar conditions to occurs in Nevada.

    Post # 74
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    Bee Keeper
    • Wedding: March 2012

    Why not? We can TAX the crap out of prostitution, set up great benefits for the women, test the women on regular basis for drugs/stds and the government would have money to fund programs other programs. 

    Post # 75
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    Bumble bee
    • Wedding: January 1992

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    @HisIrishPrincess: No, I don’t think you should “tax the crap” out of it.  I think you should have an income tax and a modest sales tax.  Otherwise, women will get shortchanged.  Why not treat it like any other service, such as massage or nail care?  Why do you need to test the women for drugs?  How demeaning.  “You’re a sex worker, so you must be on drugs.”  It is actually illegal for employers to drug test employees (unless it’s pre-employment, return-to-work, or if they are a government employee).  If anything, sex workers should be treated the same as an adult actor, and get tested once a month.  If they are caught working without a current test, they are fined. 

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