(Closed) Spinoff: The Gay Rights Debate – Why don’t the polls and elections match?

posted 6 years ago in Legal
Post # 3
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Bee Keeper
  • Wedding: February 2012

Well, my first question would be where are the statistics coming from? That would probably explain a lot.

Post # 4
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Bee Keeper
  • Wedding: June 2011

I think some people will say that they support gay marriage when they actually don’t, to “keep up appearances” and not seem like a bigot. Then when they get alone in the voting booth, they voice their true opinion.

Sad, but I think that’s the reason.

Post # 5
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: June 2012 - Glades Pike Winery, Somerset, PA

I think, sadly, it’s because the anti-gay-marriage people are the ones who go to the polls. Young people of voting age (who typically support gay marriage more than older folks) are so used to “slacktivism” that they think that posting about it on Facebook and Twitter is enough, so when voting days come, they don’t actually go out and vote. The older folks (who typically don’t support gay marriage as much) are the ones who actually go out and vote, and that’s why we have awful situations like this ammendment, Prop 8, etc. on our hands.

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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: February 2012

I think it’s young voter apathy.  I know most of my friends don’t vote because they’re too lazy.  They’d rather watch Netflix, even when they’re vehemently opposed to the amendment.  

It’s a tortoise and the hare.  Young, liberal voters vote in bursts (see 2008 presidential elections), while old, conservative voters are more consistent and stable.  They may not make up a majority, but they know to go vote.

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Honey bee
  • Wedding: December 1999

I think the huge disconnect it getting people to the poles. Typical the older population are the most reliable in terms of who will get out and vote. When doing a poll it is easy, you are at home they ak ou a question, done. When only 30% of eligible voters turn out, there is going to be huge difference in what is the true feelings of a group of people and what is voted on. People need to vote:)

Post # 9
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: December 1969

I think many of the state laws/constitutional amendments were voted on prior to the swing in public opinion.  The vote in NC, while sad, was unsurprising. It was expected to pass, given the conservative base in the state.

I think one of two things is going to have to happen:

1. The Supreme Court will finally hear the issue and (hopefully/rightfully) opine that not allowing gays the right to marry violates the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment. All state laws/consititutional amendments would no longer be good law.

2. People in those states are going to have to initiate referendums to repeal the harm that has been done.

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Busy Beekeeper
  • Wedding: October 2009

Because people are lazy, and think their time is too damn valuable

I always love when people say “more people vote for American Idol than during the elections!”. Well yeah, cuz they can use their phone, text or go on the computer and vote. They don’t have to get off their asses and go stand in line to get their number, then stand in line, then actually read the polls to make sure they are voting correctly. Its just all too much (said with a giant eye roll)

Post # 12
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: April 2012

@bookworm88:  This. Young generations are the ones who are more in approval of this, and they are the ones who vote less. Older people vote more frequently, know how to properly do it, and where to go. They mostly don’t support same sex marriage.

The people screaming the loudest about it on facebook, didn’t vote, aren’t old enough to vote, or are too lazy to vote.

Post # 13
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Bee Keeper
  • Wedding: June 2011

Re: North Carolina – one signal of how things have changed was that the “marriage for me but not for thee” folks made sure to put it on the ballot for a PRIMARY election. They knew full well that if it went on the regular November ballot, it would be defeated. Moreover, it was a primary that was only important for the Republicans, since there’s no question who the presidential nominee will be for the Dems. The only people who vote in a primary are highly-motivated voters anyway, and the only people who vote in a Republican primary are the ones who are very committed to Republican politics.

Ergo, you get an election heavily weighted toward older, conservative, strongly-anti-gay voters.

Post # 14
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Bee Keeper
  • Wedding: February 2012

@Crabbabs:  What I mean is that depending on how and where and from who these numbers were gathered, it could show us why this is happening. For instance, if this poll was done all amongst 20 year old college students, then like PPs have said, it’s probably because more older people, who are statistically less likely to support gay marriage, are the ones who are actually going to the polls, and not these college students, and that is why there is a discrepancy. Knowing how statistics were gathered can tell a lot more sometimes than the statistics themselves.

Post # 15
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: June 2013

it varies by state… that poll is likely including highly democratic states like california in there. As a nation i’m sure thats the case. But states like NC where i am from… the people voted. and the people decided they wanted to define marriage in the constitution. Also NC didnt just ban gay marriage… its been illegal in this state for a while – this ammendment just added it to the constitution.  Thats all – gay marriage is currently illegal in a lot of states… just not on the state constitution. Its alot easier to get rid of if its not in the constitution. 

Post # 16
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: June 2013

and No in NC it wasn’t just about primary for president of the united states. I voted on primarys for governor (which was also important for both sides in NC because the current governor isn’t running for re-election)  also for house, senate, and many other state and local positions. If it was just because less people would come out to the polls then it doesn’t make any sense because in NC it wasn’t just about the president – people feel very strongly about governor- both parties. Besides republicans didn’t even have a reason to come out and vote – we all know we are stuck with romney. My vote had no effect on that and i voted anyway. I went out and voted mainly because this ammendment was on there…. and because i vote in every election because its my right to do so.

This ammendment was put on the ballot as a question and a Direct vote by the people because then the only possible way to change it is another direct vote by the people. And some elected official can’t come in and wipe it away. If people really cared they would have voted – if not then they can’t complain. The people of NC have spoken. We want to preserve the sanctity of marriage. It really has nothing to do with how we feel about gays – i have plenty of gay friends. i really have no problem with it. But marriage is sacred and i’d like to keep it that way. So lets just get off this train of thinking everyone who is against gay marriage is anti gays because its just not true. 

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