Post # 573
@CaliHoya: While I agree to an extent, I think that the fact that this is in the media and that these facts about Chick Fil A are on display right here, for anyone near any media outlet to see and be faced with, makes a difference.
Because then you can’t blame it on ignorance. Then it becomes a choice.
I didn’t know anything about Apple’s business practices until they were mentioned on this thread. And you can be damn sure I will research the hell out of them before I buy an Apple product. Because I can’t hide behind my ignorance on that anymore, either. And then shopping there would be my choice that I should be held accountable for.
Also, I agree that if you care, debating here or on facebook should be one of many things you are doing.
Post # 574
@Roe: YES!!! Thank you! There is a huge difference between not researching every single thing you buy and knowing something but turning a blind eye to it.
Post # 575
Do I dare attempt to explain why I voted “no” in the poll? I’m sure this is a total waste of time, but here goes nothing.
I voted no because participating in a “boycott” of Chick-Fil-A — and proudly announcing this to the world — would be nothing more than slacktivism. I also did not retweet a link to that Kony viral video. I did not “like” my friend’s facebook status about curing breast cancer. I did not wear a red shirt on AIDS day. None of these actions made any difference WHATSOEVER. The world is not a different place based on whether or not I wear a red shirt or like a status. These things are incredibly easy to do, but y’know what? I didn’t do them anyway, because slacktivism is total BS. It lets people feel good about themselves without actually doing anything at all to help the world. According to the logic I’ve seen in this thread, however, my actions suggest that I 1. Hate gay people; 2. Love child soldiers and wish there were more of them; 3. Hope they NEVER find a cure for breast cancer; and 4. Hope they NEVER find a cure for AIDS. But I can assure you none of these things are true.
First off, I can’t boycott CFA because I never ate there to start with. I can boycott CFA like I can boycott the London Tube — which is to say that I can’t, because I don’t live in London. And yet all these people are patting themselves on the back for their principled stand against a restaurant they’ve never heard of, never eaten at, or only had once when they were 17 because someone bought it for them. What the hell?! This hearkens back to PP’s quote about how people only boycott when it’s convenient. It’s pretty dang easy to boycott a restaurant you already don’t eat at. In which case it’s not really a boycott at all; it’s just continuing to do what you’ve always done. This does not make you an instant gay rights activist.
At work, we engage companies that give money to the Chamber of Commerce, and use various means to pressure them into stopping those donations. You know what kinds of fun things the CoC supports? No fair pay for women, no maternity leave, no FMLA, etc. If it sucks for women, you can bet the CoC is for it. We have had a lot of success in getting companies to stop giving them money. But because I don’t give a rip about eating a waffle fry or not, this thread has called me “evil” for “doing nothing.” But here’s the thing: the people who are proudly boycotting CFA are pretty much also doing nothing.
Doing basically nothing versus doing nothing: are we really going to fight to the death over which is better?? Dan Cathy is rich as hell and he will continue to give money to organizations he supports whether you eat a chicken sandwich or not.
But hey, if it makes you feel good, then by all means, eat at Wendy’s instead.
Post # 576
@SoupyCat: That’s true, but unfortunately I think you’re the exception and not the rule. It’s great that you take such a conscientious stance towards your consumerism, I try to do the same.
I don’t think people are going to boycott Apple until they change their ways, but the fact that they are making efforts to improve is indeed admirable. Hopefully CFA will do the same.
Post # 577
@SoupyCat: “Gay people can be wrong too.”
You guys have been asking all along how us “no” voters would feel if we were the group being persecuted by the places Chick-fil-a donates to. Well gays are the group that is affected and this guy is telling you how he feels.
But just because his thoughts (as part of the persecuted group) don’t align with your arguement, he must just be wrong.
Post # 578
@iarebridezilla: it all starts with one person. one person encourages another person, who encourages another. it may seem like a drop in the bucket, but it could be the start of a waterfall.
Post # 579
@iarebridezilla: You make a lot of really good points. Really good, seriously. And I also didn’t retweet KONY, or put a breast cancer status on my feed, etc. I would agree that those actions are the bare minimal that don’t do much unless you are coupling them with other efforts.
I feel like people who have never eaten at a Chick Fil A or don’t have access to this one can’t answer the poll question that well.And in my mind, boycotting Chick Fil A doesn’t mean posting about that decision on facebook, it means not spending my money there again.
If presented with a Chick Fil A as an actual option, would you choose to spend your money elsewhere due to their donations and business practices?
If you answer yes, that is what a boycott is.
Post # 580
@Roe: Totally. The choice is yours once you know. I think people get very passionate about this issue which is great, but I think all the passion is being put into one place. I would love to see a stronger pro-gay rights movement come out of this, rather than an anti-CFA movement, if that makes sense.
Post # 581
Thank you for mentioning this. I HATE HATE HATE Urban Outfitters. Richard Hayne is a complete asshat. I’m not paying $40 for a shitty t-shirt anyway.
And I did a bra fitting at Victoria’s Secret just for shits and giggles (I heard they were awful and wanted to see just how awful for myself). The horror was confirmed. Gotta love some 17-year-old trying to stuff your DD/E boobs into a $75 B cup bra just to make a sale. Seriously. Eff them.
Post # 582
Which anti-gay group supports killing gay people or has killed gay people? I’ve been trying to educate myself on this and can’t find it.
Post # 583
@Mrs.KMM: I think you’ve read far too much into my comment “Gays can be wrong too.” Your comment was to the effect that since THIS gay person was still going to CFA still, then the whole idea of boycotting CFA should be called into question. My comment is that certain individual action does not negate the purposefulness of the group.
Was that particular gay person wrong? I think it depends on your value system. To me, yes. Empiracally, depends how you value right or wrong. But just because there are some gay people who thinks eating at CFA is ok doesn’t mean they can’t be wrong.
Post # 584
@LR2012: This is so off topic, but yes, even if VS was the most ethical company on the planet and was full of sunshine and rainbows and I got a free cocktail upon shopping at their establishment, their bras are sized to make everyone think they are 5 cup sizes bigger and my boobies don’t fit. 🙁
Post # 585
@CaliHoya: Dear lord, me too. I’m actually thrilled that the CFA debate has brought gay rights as an issue back into the forefront of the nation’s mind. Its happening in big ways every few weeks or months now with the repeal of DADT, pride, Obama’s support, etc. Thats huge. Anytime we can engage in discourse about it is an opportunity. And if that comes in the way of a homophobic fast food chain, I will take it.
10 or 15 years ago we would only talk about gay rights when someone was killed, and then we would sweep the issue under the rug for a while. This is much better.
Post # 586
@iarebridezilla: Well, let me just say I did personally eat at CFA in the past, all the time when I was young and in college, because it was in the Student Union.
Post # 587
580+ posts later…I think it’s time to close this thread. Thanks for the discussion, everyone!